VMs: RE: historic vellum indentures

[knoxmix@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]

On 2 Feb 2004 at 19:09, John Grove wrote:

> A little slow to get around to look at this, but those numbers are
> interesting especially if one considers the author's description:
> 
> Shown at Right are some variant forms of the numbers 1 through 9 as
> seen in early manuscripts of the 12th, 13th, 14th and 15th centuries,
> left to right.
> 
> The variants for the 12th and 14th centuries are closer to the VMS
> quire signatures than the 13 and 15th. In particular quire 4 and 14
> are good examples of the 4 depicted on this site. 7 is also more like
> an upside down v than an upside down L fitting nicely with the 12th
> and 14th century depictions presented by that author. The number 5 is
> more peculiar than the rest and a perfect fit doesn't show on the site
> Pam found.
> 
>     What does this mean? If anything... We knew the numbers on the
>     folios
> were of a different style than the quire markings, but perhaps these
> dates above just add a little more weight to the age of the VMS - (my
> view is that the VMS quire numbers were marked by the author - but
> there is no way to substantiate that). Nonetheless, according to this
> source - the variations of numerals fell into the above centuries
> rather neatly and gives us another reference where at least the quire
> markings were written prior to the 16th century [big assumption that
> the 16th century didn't use the same style of numerals depicted here].
> 
>     John.
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> 
>   I ran into this interesting page on historic vellum indentures:
>   http://www.historicpages.com/texts/velhist.htm
> 
>   Especially interesting are variant forms of letters and numbers from
>   the
> 12th, 13th, 14th and 15th centuries.
> 
>   - Pam
>    http://members.efortress.com/wilsonk/vmspictures.html
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"Thomas Hill his Book", dated June 10th 1759.
On the first page it is written that the vanities of all superstition 
flowed out of  the bosome of Astrologie and that the science is not 
supported by reason. The 7 in the date is a standard 7. 

Inside the book, the 7's are inverted V's. Astrological signs are 
related to seasons, humors, etc. in tables and to body parts 
elsewhere. By that, I assume Thomas Hill did not write the book 
and it might be a little older than 1759. However that may be,  7's 
still could be written as inverted V's with the two diagonals equal in 
length. Such form might have been restricted to that one individual 
in his time. The 2 is an equal sign with very light diagonal to make 
a short, wide Z. The 4 is a goose-stepping e, as is seen in columns 
1 and 3 of Introduction to Vellum Indentures. The 3 has a fairly 
straight line for the lower curve as in columns 1 and 3. The 5 is 
simplified with one angle and an almost vertical crossbar, as seen 
in columns 1 and 3. 

Ciao

Knox



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