Re: VMs: Folios 85_86 Rosettes or Sephiroth

["Jeff" <jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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From: "Nick Pelling" <incoming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: 11 February 2004 21:26
Subject: Re: VMs: Folios 85_86 Rosettes or Sephiroth


> Hi Jorge,
>
> At 16:11 11/02/2004 -0300, Jorge Aveleira wrote:
> >Thanks for your prompt reply and helpful suggestions. I had already
> >downloaded and studied your reproductions of folios 85_86, thanks again,
and
> >also taken a couple of hours of study on the EVA character set. However,
I
> >am not specially gifted for memory tricks, and memorizing or becoming
fairly
> >skilled on a unsettled alphabet would be much frustrating.
>
> "Unsettled" is the last thing I would call EVA - though not perfect, it is
> extremely stable and useful, and a proper understanding of it is a huge
> assistance for anyone who wants to help moving our collective
understanding
> of the VMs forward. Perhaps surprisingly, it's actually very logical and
> simple, with the bare minimum of memory tricks (specifically for the
> gallows, based on their general shape).
>
> >For what I
> >intend, a conventional, more or less agreed upon EVA transcription of the
> >complete contents of folios 85_86 would be convenient enough.
>
> Be very careful - if you look at an EVA transcription and see a simple
> substitution ciphertext, you're missing the fundamental point about
> Voynichese, which is that *it looks simple but isn't*.

EVA is the key but not the way you are thinking of it. There is a definate
language
structure. I have seen it with my own eyes. No one here takes a blind bit of
notice
of me though. I am an unknown quantity. How the hell could a newcomer make
any
progress anyway? Lots of people have spent years on this after all. Remember
Linear B?

>
> >Some time ago,
> >I attempted unsuccessfully to interest somebody else on my particular
view
> >of those folios and on a correlational/statistical analysis of its
textual
> >contents against that view. Perhaps I could attain something meaningful
> >enough to attract the interest of others better equipped for a thorough
job
> >on that. As you may have noticed, the structure of f85_86 fits nicely
with
> >my conjectures and also with Steve's, in addition to its suitability for
> >being the repository of a multiple codetable. I am willing to bet a
bottle
> >of red wine on that, to accompany the pizza that according hearsay will
go
> >to the Vms codebreakers.
>
> I like Steve a lot - for example, he's been kind enough to email and mail
> me many of his notes - but we're a little early for a pizza dinner just
> yet. :-o
>
> Actually, I think it was me who suggested that the 9 rosettes might
> correspond to 9 code-wheels, with the contents of each wheel encoded
within
> the circular zodiac diagrams. FWIW, Steve now sees each code in terms of
> tic-tac-toe boards - that *may* be the case, but Steve has to see that he
> can't have the whole answer, or else he would be "1 of 1", not "1 of 12".
:-)
>
> Please take the time to understand EVA properly - once you have, you'll
get
> an understanding of why the text isn't just a simple cipher: and
> (hopefully) you'll also get an idea of how we can all work together to try
> to move this forward. A single good idea seems unlikely to open this door,
> no matter how insightful - but a combination of good ideas stands a good
> chance. EVA is the mechanism by which we can join our ideas together. :-)
>
> And yes, EVA has limitations: however, I think we have barely scratched
the
> surface of what we can collectively achieve with it.
>
> Cheers, ....Nick Pelling....
>
>
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