Re: VMs: The Key -- [case against "qo"]

[Jonathan Lopez <jlopez357@xxxxxxxxx>]

One of the more interesting this I have noticed is
when translating certain texts that the english
language has alot of redundent letters. For example
"Q,C, and K" all useless letters. Looking at the VMS i
get the feeling that alot of the "useless" letters are
removed. 

I am interesting to see Jeff's source.


--- knoxmix@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Hello Nick, 
> 
>     On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:35:37 +0000
>     Nick wrote:
> 
>     My opinions are (a) that he got the basic cipher
> alphabet wrong [any
>     attempt to understand "qo", "dy", "or" or "ol"
> as anything but
>     intrinsically composite pairs of letters will
> fail], (b) . . .
>     . . .
>     Of course, not everyone here believes (a)-(e)
> with the same 
>     conviction as me (especially (a)) . . .
> 
> I know nothing about Strong's work. 
> 
> Here is the case against "qo" as a composite, as I
> see it.
> 
> Ref: Takeshi Takahashi Transcription of 1998)
> Voynich Transcription Scanner 
> Takeshi Takahashi's 1998 transcription 
> http://codesandciphers.info/voynich/
> (Can someone say who provides this service?)
> 
> 
> Possible supporting evidence:
> "qo" appears as word terminals in 34 lines
> It appears as a word in 30 lines
> So there are only 4 instances of "qo" as word
> terminals other than by 
> virtue of its being a word.
> 
> Possible supporting evidence:
> It appears as word initials in 2709 lines
> It occurs one or more times in 2709 lines
> I assume there is a net 4-line asynchronism to
> account for the 
> coincidence. 
> 
> This is what sways me:
> "q" before likely composites "or" and "ol"
>  22  "qor"
> 134  "qol" 
> 
> This, too. But it will appear to be circular
> thinking at this point.
> "qo" before gallows. 
>   8  "qot"
>   9  "qok"
>   1  "qof"
>   5  "qop"
> 
> The above counts should not be accepted without
> verification. 
> 
> "qo" appears in context like this:
> chor.qo.kaiin
> ch-or-q-o-k-ai-in
> Whether "qo" & "ok" were merged into "qok" can be
> addressed down the 
> line but to use both "qo" and "ok", in my opinion,
> leads to output 
> that is off the mark. I think it shows a redundancy
> that is greater 
> in the text than in the message -- if that makes
> sense. I really 
> would have preferred to have run the statistics
> before bringing this 
> up. The problem is that I am neither statistician
> nor programmer. I 
> am not attempting to lay off a pet theory in order
> to use someone's 
> talent and time to vindicate it. While I am at it,
> neither did I 
> intend to grandstand with a catchy name. 
> 
> I might later challenge "dy" as a composite. One
> approach might be to 
> find which method leaves the least number of
> singletons and which has 
> fewer exceptions to its rule. 
> 
> I have not thought it through but for now, this is
> my approach:
> 
> chor.qo.kaiin, as above
> ch-or-q-o-k-ai-in (inclined to stay with ai-in)
> 
> qo.kshodaiin
> q-o-k-sh-o-d-ai-in
> 
> shdy.qo.ol.keey
> sh-d-y-q-o-ol-k-ee-y
> 
> qo.ol.
> q-o-ol
> 
> qo.darchor
> q-o-d-ar-ch-or
> 
> qo.dchol.
> q-o-d-ch-ol
> 
> qopchor.qo.dor
> q-o-p-ch-or-q-o-d-or
> 
> ol.cheol.qo.qokeey.qokeey.qokeedy
> ol-ch-e-ol-q-o-q-o-k-ee-y-q-o-k-ee-y-q-o-k-ee-d-y
> 1  2  3 1  4 5 4 5 6 7  8 4 5 6 7  8 4 5 6 7  8 9
>  qoqo:      1 2 1 2
> 1212 is definitely NOT the Isis or any other plain
> text else the 
> matter would have been solved long ago. 
> 
> I have done only a few lines of this.
> And a few lines of English for comparison to a known
> language. 
> It has not turned up anything remarkable (to me,
> anyway) that cannot 
> be seen in the manuscript. Maybe it will after a few
> thousand hours.
> 
> Shoot it down and save me some effort. 
> 
> Ciao .......... Knox
> 
> 
> 
>
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