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Re: VMs: The Key -- [case against "qo"]
One of the more interesting this I have noticed is
when translating certain texts that the english
language has alot of redundent letters. For example
"Q,C, and K" all useless letters. Looking at the VMS i
get the feeling that alot of the "useless" letters are
I am interesting to see Jeff's source.
--- knoxmix@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Hello Nick,
> On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:35:37 +0000
> Nick wrote:
> My opinions are (a) that he got the basic cipher
> alphabet wrong [any
> attempt to understand "qo", "dy", "or" or "ol"
> as anything but
> intrinsically composite pairs of letters will
> fail], (b) . . .
> . . .
> Of course, not everyone here believes (a)-(e)
> with the same
> conviction as me (especially (a)) . . .
> I know nothing about Strong's work.
> Here is the case against "qo" as a composite, as I
> see it.
> Ref: Takeshi Takahashi Transcription of 1998)
> Voynich Transcription Scanner
> Takeshi Takahashi's 1998 transcription
> (Can someone say who provides this service?)
> Possible supporting evidence:
> "qo" appears as word terminals in 34 lines
> It appears as a word in 30 lines
> So there are only 4 instances of "qo" as word
> terminals other than by
> virtue of its being a word.
> Possible supporting evidence:
> It appears as word initials in 2709 lines
> It occurs one or more times in 2709 lines
> I assume there is a net 4-line asynchronism to
> account for the
> This is what sways me:
> "q" before likely composites "or" and "ol"
> 22 "qor"
> 134 "qol"
> This, too. But it will appear to be circular
> thinking at this point.
> "qo" before gallows.
> 8 "qot"
> 9 "qok"
> 1 "qof"
> 5 "qop"
> The above counts should not be accepted without
> "qo" appears in context like this:
> Whether "qo" & "ok" were merged into "qok" can be
> addressed down the
> line but to use both "qo" and "ok", in my opinion,
> leads to output
> that is off the mark. I think it shows a redundancy
> that is greater
> in the text than in the message -- if that makes
> sense. I really
> would have preferred to have run the statistics
> before bringing this
> up. The problem is that I am neither statistician
> nor programmer. I
> am not attempting to lay off a pet theory in order
> to use someone's
> talent and time to vindicate it. While I am at it,
> neither did I
> intend to grandstand with a catchy name.
> I might later challenge "dy" as a composite. One
> approach might be to
> find which method leaves the least number of
> singletons and which has
> fewer exceptions to its rule.
> I have not thought it through but for now, this is
> my approach:
> chor.qo.kaiin, as above
> ch-or-q-o-k-ai-in (inclined to stay with ai-in)
> 1 2 3 1 4 5 4 5 6 7 8 4 5 6 7 8 4 5 6 7 8 9
> qoqo: 1 2 1 2
> 1212 is definitely NOT the Isis or any other plain
> text else the
> matter would have been solved long ago.
> I have done only a few lines of this.
> And a few lines of English for comparison to a known
> It has not turned up anything remarkable (to me,
> anyway) that cannot
> be seen in the manuscript. Maybe it will after a few
> thousand hours.
> Shoot it down and save me some effort.
> Ciao .......... Knox
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