Re: VMs: Re: "Running code" -- I hope not...

["DANA SCOTT" <dscott520@xxxxxxx>]

Elmar,

Speaking for myself, I recognize high level of professional scrutiny under 
which the VMS has been examined. Friedman and his group of experts, for 
example, would have been well versed in cryptographic techniques. I am only 
referring to the running code proposal and am suggesting that it would have 
most likely been detected if present. I am in no way saying the the 
"professionals" would have known or examined all approaches, nor would I 
discourage anyone's suggestions concerning encryption. Friedman suggested an 
artificial language, but that is as far as he got (his group did a 
considerable amount of work). All ideas are welcome and all ideas help us to 
gain further insight. I encourage everyone to continue their efforts.

Regards,
Dana Scott

Regards,
Dana Scott


----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: VMs: Re: "Running code" -- I hope not...


> Zitat von DANA SCOTT <dscott520@xxxxxxx>:
>
> > Those of us who are not cryptologists probably rely on this type of 
> > anlysis
> > to the experts. Friedman, Manly, and Tiltman as well as others in the 
> > know
> > who have examined the VMS would probably have detected this in a flash.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dana Scott
> >
>
> What exactly are you implying? That it's pointless to try and solve this
> problem as an amateur?
>
> I feel with the VM we are in a dilemma, since for all we know, the 
> encoding
> scheme can't be that terribly complicated. OTOH, all the simple schemes we
> tried seem to fail.
>
> I hadn't heard about the running code being tested before, so I thought it
> might be worthwhile to try it and present results, even if they're 
> negative.
>
> Cheers,
>
>    Elmar
>
>
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