VMs: Re: DATING Counting sheep

[steve ekwall <ekwall2@xxxxxxxx>]

OLDEST possible date?

not a fan of a vms hoax... (~ES pre-touched steve~),

I've got 1 or 2 too many cats here I would SKIN for the answer, (well 
@ least 1 (of 5) (not including local walk-by Feral(s)) :-) 

(BTW) - I'm training/teaching them to use the People LOO without 
litter/sand, we'll see come spring :-) 3 of 5 are learning :-)
(hey, IT can happen :-))


okey Ok ok.. I _like the cats_ :-0 ~rats~
but I DON'T LIKE stepping on their tails in the Black of night!!!


rethinking/Additionally,

locally I have St. Mary's Glacier that I have found 1000's? 10,000's?
Millions of YEARS OLD? layers of peleo forest volcanic/FIRE residue. 
-HAND DUG- by me... anyway my CATSKIN (pick one) has ancient ash 
(carbon black)INK  written on (_next_ CATskin) IT? - CAN WE Date it?

yes 1950+? (atomic fallout) exempted :-(   (1945 sounds better?) 

answer = today (OLD ink _whatever_) WE HAVE TO STOP the list SPITE.

THE VELLUM (skin) is a _closer_ date?!! (& Older than you think!)
1 (ONE) sample 1/4 - 1/8th inch/30 gram)?) (not 1-30 sheep) 
This current VMS is being disseccceTed beyond, the/& into ~dust~.
No wonder YALE won't let 'us' in there (ha.ha)..

IT CANNOT BE OLDER THAN THE SKIN! (vellum.period!). even if written 
yesterday.

How OLD can this (skin/vellum) be?
That was my original question.

best to you & yours
-=se=-
steve (IT'S _NOT_ a Hoax!) ekwall
ps: FOLD your (UNdoit) KEY!
    EACH Character(s) SPEAKS/TELLS ALL :-)
pss: my neighbor has "cow-calves" for hide/vellum. FWIW
psss: (cats):i haven't skinned 'em YET, but I think the Boys have 
tougher THICKER hide then the Girls (ref: cats (above))...

(abc....w...)
Txxx   Ixxx      *     Dyyy    Ayyy     Ezzz     Rzzz
(see the mirror?) :-)

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 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:35:40 +0000
 From: Nick Pelling <incoming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 Reply-To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
 To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
 Subject: Re: VMs: Re: Counting sheep...?
 
 Hi Barbara,
 
 At 12:15 28/02/2004 +0000, Barbara Blithered:
 >Indeed Nick, vellum is very fine parchment made from calfskin. One needs a
 >young animal for the quality of its skin to make vellum. Ergo the vms' raw
 >materiel wasn't sheep :-) It is *possible* to make vellum from other young
 >animals such as Goat Kids, Lambs and foals, but lambs and kids don't provide
 >enough skin for commercial vellum making and foalskin, unless the foal died
 >by accident, was seldom available for vellum manufacture.
 
 Errm... while I'm sure that was true in the early medieval period, I got 
 the impression that "parchment" later came to denote"single-sided skin" and 
 "vellum" "double-sided skin".
 
 *sigh* I wish we were certain about even the most basic things. :-(
 
 Presumably, the thinner the VMs' vellum, the younger the kids/lambs/calves 
 it came from - and so Maurizio's estimate should perhaps be refined to 
 circa (say) 30 lambs?
 
 So, the thinner the vellum, perhaps the most expensive it would have been?
 
 Hmmm.... :-o
 
 Cheers, .....Nick Pelling..... 
 
 
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