Re: Re: VMs: Further investigatio of folio f1r

["Jan" <hurychj@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello Dennis,  

======= At 2004-04-05, 22:33:00 you wrote: =======

>	Don't forget, EVA was never intended to represent one grapheme with one 
transcribed character, and it doesn't.  EVA /iin/ is a case in point. 

Of course, but would another system show graph so similar to single character 
curve of many languages (not only with Latin) ? Maybe, I do not know.  

>	It's interesting that Latin comes close but not >English and the others.  

 Well, it is not perfect closeness, but the differences may be easily attributed 
to the "crudeness" of the method, which letter frequency certainly is. However 
what counts most is how the Latin curve follows the VM curve - the English for 
instance crosses the line several times, having apparently altogether different 
trend. 

>	As D'Imperio noted, others saw long ago that the  single-character 
distributions of Voynichese are close  to those of many European languages 
(though your study is the most complete one). 

Yes, this  "hyperbolic characte" of the curve is obvious for all natural languages 
and they even do not  differ too much  - percentwise -  but what differs greatly 
is the order of letters (for different languages).  Of course I also  made the 
corresponding table and subsequent "conversion" of the VM into "Latin" characters. 
Needless to say, I did not get too far :-).

 > Those early researchers quickly found that they could not solve Voynichese as 
 >monoalphabetic substitution. 

Correction:  "as single monoalphabetic substitution" -   the "shortness"  of 
"words" shows there must be at least another encoding present. All that of 
course only if we take the "sign-for-letter" conversion, which as you rightly 
said may not be the case at all. 

>The digraph distributions >are the ones that are really unusual, and those are 
>reflected in the second-order entropy.  

But bi-letter substitution cipher (say Vigenere table, where we replace the 
letter by its two coordinates) may have something similar and transposition 
cipher has letters so mixed up that original "digraphs" simply dissappear . . .

Best regards.				 
Jan

http://www.angelfire.com/electronic2/ohlas/VM/ Voynich Manuscript  


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