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Re: Re: Re: VMs: Further investigatio of folio f1r

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Subject: Re: Re: Re: VMs: Further investigatio of folio f1r
From: "john stojko" <oko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:32:32 -0400
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Roux" <LRoux@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: VMs: Further investigatio of folio f1r


> This is the original VMS inscription  tochso otchl qokeeedy cheey cheeteey
> Apparently I have no idea what you are looking for.

If you claim that this is original VMs. inscription than you should know the
meaning.
To me original insciption is the inscription given in VMs. alphabet.
The transliterated VMs. alphabet to any alphabet is not original.
There is reason for this why I wont original inscription.

John

>
> ******************************
> Larry Roux
> Syracuse University
> lroux@xxxxxxx
> *******************************
>
> >>> oko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 04/08/04 01:18PM >>>
> Larry, if you really wont me to read than send me the original VMs.
> inscription.
> Well, you call CHART I call Table of alphabets.
> Now we understand each other.
> John
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry Roux" <lroux@xxxxxxx>
> To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: VMs: Further investigatio of folio f1r
>
>
> > The sentence I gave was in Voy (EVA) if you wish it in another
> transcription I can do so.  And the EVA letters "t" and "e" seem to be
> missing.
> >
> > The chart I speak of is on http://home.att.net/~oko/voynich/v-cipher.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ******************************
> > Larry Roux
> > Syracuse University
> > lroux@xxxxxxx
> > *******************************
> > >>> oko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 04/07/04 21:30 PM >>>
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Larry Roux" <lroux@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 6:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Re: VMs: Further investigatio of folio f1r
> >
> >
> > > John: I think the reason people discount the Ukrainian solution is
that
> > > 1) The text seems to have nothing to do with the pictures
> >
> > Yes, you are right.
> > The pictures have nothing to do with the VMs text. The pictures were
made
> > for a peaple that
> > claimed to be God's. Hence not of this word.
> >
> > > 2) I have not seen a translation you have done, with the path you used
> to
> > get there: ie a line of Voy, your translation, then the English
> >
> > Re: my home page http://home.att.net/~oko/voynich/voynich.htm
> > In introduction you will find step by step how I deciphered.
> > You can convert from Ukrainian to English alphabet by using my alphabet
> > table.
> > The original VMs text is given.
> >
> >
> > > For instance:  I would like to see this:
> > >
> > > Voy (from F68r1): tochso otchl qokeeedy cheey cheeteey
> >
> > I do not know the language.
> > So, how can I show you?
> > My alphabet consist of consonants ony. In about example you have vowels.
> > Please explaine.
> >
> > > From your chart : ?WPDW  W?PL  SWT???KS  P??S  P?????S
> > > Ukrainian with vowels: ???
> > > English: ???
> >
> > What chart?
> > Larry, if you wont me to translate, please give me the original VMs
phrase
> > or sentance.
> > I will do the translation for you.
> > >
> > > There are several missing symbols on your chart so I couldn't
translate
> > correctly.  If you could show me the above for a paragraph of the Voy I
> > would take a serious look at your work, but until that is done it is
just
> > another unfounded theory.
> > >
> > There are no missing symbols in my alphabet. The only missing from my
> > alphabet table is numbers.
> > In the introduction I give few samples how the letters are combined.
> > Yes there are more combination of two letters that looks like one.
> >
> > > Belief is all in the proof!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ******************************
> > > Larry Roux
> > > Syracuse University
> > > lroux@xxxxxxx
> > > *******************************
> > > >>> oko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 04/07/04 17:06 PM >>>
> > > Jeff,
> > > In my home page is posted VMS alphabet.
> > > The defined alphabet does not change with each page or paragraph.
> > > From page 1 to the last page the alphabet and language are the same.
> > > The space between words and phrases are well marked and stay
> > > the same. Using my alphabet and knowledge of Ukrainian language
> > > one can read and understand what is written in VMS.
> > > You may not agree, but this does not change what is there.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Jeff" <jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 2:35 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Re: Re: VMs: Further investigatio of folio f1r
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: "john stojko" <oko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: 07 April 2004 02:26
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hello Jan!
> > > > >
> > > > > Jan, your language is Slavic, so is Ukrainian.
> > > > > I would like to make the following suggestion.
> > > > > Take my defined alphabet consisting of consonants.
> > > > > Than read any page and add your own vowels.
> > > > > You should be able to get 70% of words in your own language
> > > > > and the understanding of VMS.
> > > > > My Home page;
> > > > > http://home.att.net/~oko/home.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > The same is true for other Slavic languages.
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > The thing about the VMS is that language constructs itself easily
for
> > any
> > > > language up to a point. That is why as Rene has said several
> > translations
> > > > have been made in the past. The underlying structure lends itself to
> > this
> > > > but beware the pitfalls.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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