Re: VMs: Re: VOYNICH CATALOGUES

[jean-yves artero <jyartero@xxxxxxxx>]

Hello Dana,

 

Thanks for this; I basically agree with your points, which seem to me very useful indeed.

 

I am also doubting about V. s heraldry but there is a fact nethertheless : the crowned cat ( and mouse ) is the same more or less that in an Alchabitius' work, the latter a still well known astrolog.

 

You established too that V. knew about these rare books. The motive appears in V. s catalogue 31 and you add that it was already to be seen in catalogue 27; on the contrary it was not on 24.

 

However V. was already familiar with A. since catalogs 2 and 3 were issued. Here there is something to consider. At the moment I have no answer.

 

Otherwise as far as I know V. is correct when he let it write that A. is in fact an Arabic "astronomer" probably something like Al Kabisi. His works were published at the end of XVth and at the beginning of XVIth century.

 

Regards,

 

Jean

DANA SCOTT <dscott520@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello Jean-Yves,

There are a number of concerns which should probably need to be considered,
before going too far down this path of investigation. First of all, I do
not recall having seen any reference or document of proof that would verify
that Wilfrid Voynich's family had legal rights to heraldry. I do recall
mention that there was a claim to heraldry, but this I believe is still
somewhat suspect (I may be proved wrong in this assessment). Next, it has
been mentioned that Voynich's father was a Petty Officer, though I consider
this is a rather weak point relating to his entitlement to heraldry. Then
there is the problem of his arrival in London, following his imprisonment in
Siberia, by which point he would have no doubt have been stripped of all
legal documents relating to heraldry (though he might have been able to
obtai! n a copy post facto). Another case in point is that Voynich upon his
arrival in London, while apparently highly intelligent and rather flamboyant
among personal relations, preferred to maintain a very low profile, with
good reason, since it appears that were shadowy figures who kept a close eye
on him. Now we get to the supposed depiction of 'heraldry' seen in his
catalogues. Catalogue 27 is the first confirmed appearance that I am aware
of the 'heraldry' containing "cat and mouse". It is not seen in catalogue
24. Voynich himself was apparently a rather shadowy agent (not verified) in
the cloak and dagger (cat and mouse) game. So who are the cat and mouse?
Russian Tzar versus revolutionaries in Europe. Wouldn't it be interesting
if Voynich's antiquarian bookstores also served as clandestine fronts for
certain nefarious activities? It may be that Voynich wanted to include a
hint of 'heraldry' in his catalogues to enhance his position and ! status
among those in high places (both political and financial), though this is
pure conjecture on my part. One last point to consider is that Voynich was
familiar with Alchabitius, with listed references in catalogue 2 (1003) and
3 (1563). A footnote in the 1003 entry states "Alchabitius, a corruption of
'Abd Al' Aziz Jbn'Uthmian [Al Kabisi.]" (p.258)


Regards,
Dana Scott


----- Original Message -----
From: "jean-yves artero"
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 5:21 AM
Subject: VMs: VOYNICH CATALOGUES


> Attn Rafal T. Prinke and Dana Scott especially
>
> Hello dear all,
>
> I am at the moment interested in the fact that there could be a link
> between Voynich and Alchabitius and/or Nostradamus.
>
> My point is that when you consider V. s heraldry as it appears say in the
> front cover of his catalogs it ( cat and mouse ) very ! much looks like a
> woodcut which is to be found in David Ovason s book which is entitled The
> Nostradamus code.
>
> My edition is the one of Arrow Books Ltd 1998. On page 610 in the Pictures
> section you have a fig.20 which very much looks like V. s heraldry with
> following comment:
>
> "Woodcut from the title page of the 'Alchabitius' text, a version of which
> was discovered about 1985 by Guy Parguez beraing the names, in manuscript,
> of both Nostradamus and his son César. The French scholar, Michael
> Chomarat, has offered a brief but useful study of the Nostradamus copy,
> and of Alchabitian literature, in the July 1986 edition of Cahiers Michel
> Nostradamus, p.51 and 54ff."
>
> I have to add that Ovason is very much advocating for N. s use of the
> 'Green Language' and that but this is not important Chomarat s first name
> is of course in French Michel.
>
>! ; My question is following: could there be a link between V.s catalogs and
> this woodcut?
>
> Cheers,
>
> J.A.
>
>
>

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