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RE: Re: VMs: Gordon Rugg in Scientific American



Title: RE: Re: VMs: Gordon Rugg in Scientific American

I think my generator was actually notionally similar to Rugg's suggestion in some ways, although it used a source text to determine where to look up in the table instead of a randomly selected grille. It doesn't explain the more subtle features of voynichese, such as the line-related stuff, the 'key sequences', and the repeated words. It also requires a seriously abbreviated plaintext if we want to allow for the ciphertext using the same layout as the source.

If anyone wants to pursue it further that's fine with me!

Jon.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff [mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 29 June 2004 02:49
> To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Re: VMs: Gordon Rugg in Scientific American
> Importance: Low
>
>
> What would be better would be to work on Jon (without the h)
> Grove's vms
> text generator algorithm. With his permission, of course. In
> it's last known
> form it mimmicked the vms text quite well. That would be a
> better challenge
> to Gordon's claims.
>
> What do you think Jon?
>
> Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jan" <hurychj@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: 28 June 2004 18:00
> Subject: Re: Re: VMs: Gordon Rugg in Scientific American
>
>
> > Hello Nick,
> >
> > well, it looks like Gordon Rugg has thrown some challenge
> in our face -
> why don't we return it
> > back? Imagine publishing  10 different texts encrypted each
> by DIFFERENT
> Cardan grille, the
> > original texts being in the same language, but only one of
> them being a
> fraud (I do not exactly
> > understand what he means by fraud:  the "non-sensical original" or
> something worse? :-).  If he
> > can determine which text it  is, he certainly can make a point.
> >
> > No I am not expert on Cardan grille  - so  it may  be still
> easy for him,
> but to make  it more
> > complicated, we may use different language for each text or
> combination of
> two grills and what not. Or we may even try to simulate the
> VM structure.
> This e-mail conference may chose a group of experts for the
> job and the
> posting of challenge  should be done in some well known
> publication. Do you
> think he will be a game?
> >
> > Jan
> >
>
>
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