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Re: VMs: oladabas

The magical allusions could be the same as those indicated in Trithemius's Steganographia. Jim Reed's work on book III seems very relevant here. IMHO.
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Sent: 07 July 2004 21:59
Subject: Re: VMs: oladabas

Hello again Marianna,
I am not an expert in astrology, but what you say again seems promising; thanks for sharing with me a Yeats vision ;-)  ; BTW your second site is really substantial, I am grateful for that.
My own contribution - the last one for today I am afraid - is not that enriching; look :
Book, two, Celestial Magic, Part one:

Chap. xlvi. Of the Images of the Mansions of the Moon.

"They made also Images for evert Mansion of the Moon"

"In the three and twentieth, for destruction and wasting, they made a seal of Iron, being the image of a Cat, having a Dogs head, and they perfumed it with the hairs of a Dogs head, and buried it in the place where they did pretend to hurt."

In one word, you are right, Agrippa told that, IMHO. Good moonlight illuminated night,


P.S. What is to deduce from all that stuff is really a ten thousand dollars question, hey? Yes there certainly is some magical significance in the VMS I definitely agree. Have you an explanation for the twofold presence of Aries and Taurus?

Marianna Ridderstad <marianna.ridderstad@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello Jean
Yes I would be very interested to hear more about the 23. mansion! It has occurred to me that maybe the 'm'
after the 'portas' in the last page of VMs is is not the letter m, but denotes Scorpio or Virgo, since the symbols used for these zodiacal signs resemble the letter m very much (for example the picture on
http://www.astrology-online.com/persn.htm ). What is very interesting is that acc. to Agrippa, the image associated with station 23. is 'a cat with a dog's head', which seems to be exactly what we see in the Scorpio page of VMs... All this at least points towards a definite magical content of the strange words in the last page of VMs.
Unfortunately, there seems to be much confusion with the actual locations of the mansions within zodiacal due to the fact that the equinoxes (and consequently the starting places of the signs) shift about 1 degree for every 70 years.  E.g. in http://www.yeatsvision.com/Mansions.html the Sabadalo is number 24, for some reason.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: VMs: oladabas

Hi Marianna
Book 2 Chap 33 of Occulta Philosophia:
 "the three and twentieth is called Zabadola or Zobrach that is swallowing; it maketh for divorce, liberty of captives and the health of the sick"
Well done and it s a very special anagram! Hem I am partly of Catalan extraction and you? Oh forget it! :-(
P.S. there seems to be an other mention of the stations in chapter 46. Interested?

Marianna Ridderstad <marianna.ridderstad@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello All,
I just noticed an interesting detail: in Imperio's book, in the list of the stations of the Moon, station number 23 is 'Sabadalo' according to Agrippa (1970). An this is, of course, an anagram of 'oladabas'.  :-)

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