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VMs: VMS & Jacques Bergier
Hi, Dennis, I think that now you received my mails ;-) Yes there definitely is a J.B. connection with the VMS.
I dont know whether this was already covered in this list or not, thus here are some brief comments of mine.
While trying to give you a sensible answer (;-) ) I browsed the net and hoped I would find a good text in English on this man; I failed ( at the moment: ;-) ).
Thus here is again a site in French ( there are other ones in other languages but you know this is a kind of native speaker syndrom ):
I think that basically Bergier is a serious man, who was interested in all hidden aspects of our culture(s); not surprisingly he heard of the VMS and you are right "our" ms is one of the books he called "maudits" which I would translate as "forbidden".
Some of his works were translated into English - this would be easy to settle and the above site should help I hope - but I dont know whether "Forbidden books" was.
The bad news on this book are that J.B. is one of the inventors of the MIB theory; in other words some ugly guys all along the history are trying ever and ever to prevent our access to knowledge and thus are destroying, annihilating such and such book. J.B. reviews some examples of this conspiration and one of them is of course the VMS.
N.B. I am not sure whether he was especially thinking of the Jesuits
( ;-) ).
The good news are that he is AFAIK ( is that correct? ) the only Frenchman since Gilson and Carton - I am not forgetting Casanova and Almaleh or Guy ...but they are more specialised: Hi les Gaulois ça va? - to have really published on VMS ( one entire chapter of Forbidden books, but you are right, he again mentionned it in other works ).
Another goodie is that IMHO he is really serious and that he really studied what was available when he studied the ms ( it was before Brumbaugh and D'Imperio I think ). That s why he correctly wrote as aleady said that Newbold 's decipherment is at the end a failure but he nethertheless praised his work and wondered wether this scholar really told the truth about what he discovered ( which I personally again find questionable: N. was sincere and sincerely failed which is right honourable ).
And the last one of course : about other "Forbidden books" you find ( with again chapters on them ), guess what: John Dee s Mona, Trithemius Steganographia...Just a sort of In Memoriam for you, Jacques! Thanks to you, Dennis!
Jean
P.S. Dennis, please, I never said that Rugg is an E.T. ( or a reincarnation if you want of Edward Talbot ); oops I almost forgot the ;-) .
Dennis <tsalagi@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi, Jean-Yves, on Bergier and the VMs I found:
http://greguti.free.fr/litt/jb1.htm
This line, in the note on Les extraterrestres dans
l'histoire, is amusing in the light of Rugg's work:
"Bergier étudie les témoignages d'apparitions « d'êtres
lumineux » entre l'an 1000 et le début du XVIème
siècle, en se basant sur les textes de Facius Cardan et
John Dee par exemple. Bergier y retrace aussi
l'histoire du fameux manuscrit codé indéchiffrable de
Roger Bacon, ou « Manuscrit Voynich » (du nom de son
dernier acquéreur).." Is this what you mean? Maybe
this was Rugg's inspiration. ;-) I also note that
Bergier had a whole chapter on the VMs in Les livres
maudits.
Dennis
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