Re: VMs: glossolalia?

[Dennis <tsalagi@xxxxxxxx>]

	Hi, Jean-Yves,

jean-yves artero wrote:

> My interest in Information Theory is...not I.T. but E.T. I mean that 
> SETI -and Carl Sagan certainly is not far away - seems to me a good 
> approach in the extent that it helps us to distinguish what we in French 
> call the "bruit de fond" ( overall universe's noise ) from some oddities 
> which could be be a clue for some artificial meaning and let us say the 
> path to a key.

	Yes.  However, let me once again point out to everyone 
what Rene said: that human beings are not at all good 
at producing random series like the universes 
background noise.  If the VMs is human generated 
nonsense (semantically completely empty), there will 
still be order compared to the output of a random 
number generator.  Glossalalia is probably the closest 
human equivalent to truly random output, and therefore 
the correct basis for comparison.

	I am hardly the list's expert on information theory. 
Jim Reeds and Rene are much better informed.

	If the VMs is structured nonsense as Rugg thinks, we 
might expect an excess of structure!  If Rugg finds he 
needs at least one different table and different Cardan 
grilles for each page of the VMs, that is obviously 
unacceptable.  Indeed, it would be much more likely to 
see the hoaxer reusing a few tables and grilles, and 
detect a pattern.  So many ciphers and codes have been 
broken in just this way!

	In fact, that is what I would expect to see if a 
hoaxer had produced the VMs in such a way.  Why would 
he go to more effort than necessary?

> On glossolalia I would comment on the fact that there are several sorts 
> of it but this was already pointed out in the list: the psychiatrical 
> one is far beyond my skill (;-) ) there is too a mystical one and I 
> wonder whether E.K. "Enochian" could not be called glosso-whatever you want.

	No.  Enochian qualifies as at least a pidgin language.

> In any case, this mystical aspect is not totally new for the "old" 
> alchemy student I am; perhaps you will be interested to know that in 
> some cases people involved in religion or hermetism happened to speak a 
> tongue which was not a creation at all, but a language they should have 
> not known ( for instance old greek or provençal for a French or why not 
> English, sorry for Hawains in the list I do not remember such an example 

	I have heard of such things.  I remember reading of a 
case where someone apparently knew Talmudic Hebrew, 
when he never should have.  It eventually emerged that 
when he was a child, the family had lodged a Talmudic 
scholar and he grew up hearing the scholar reciting 
passages.  I recall a few other comparable cases.

Dennis

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