VMs: glossolalia?

[jean-yves artero <jyartero@xxxxxxxx>]

Hi Dennis,

 

I am a little "embarrassed" in answering you on this one, because I exactly am the contrary of a specialist.

 

My interest in Information Theory is...not I.T. but E.T. I mean that SETI -and Carl Sagan certainly is not far away - seems to me a good approach in the extent that it helps us to distinguish what we in French call the "bruit de fond" ( overall universe's noise ) from some oddities which could be be a clue for some artificial meaning and let us say the path to a key.

 

I know that this is a theoretical point but I think it could be important from a methodological point of view.

 

On glossolalia I would comment on the fact that there are several sorts of it but this was already pointed out in the list: the psychiatrical one is far beyond my skill (;-) ) there is too a mystical one and I wonder whether E.K. "Enochian" could not be called glosso-whatever you want.

 

In any case, this mystical aspect is not totally new for the "old" alchemy student I am; perhaps you will be interested to know that in some cases people involved in religion or hermetism happened to speak a tongue which was not a creation at all, but a language they should have not known ( for instance old greek or provençal for a French or why not English, sorry for Hawains in the list I do not remember such an example ;-) ).

 

But is this kind of glossolalia VMS linked? I am not sure...yet.

 

Jean

Dennis <tsalagi@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi, Don, Jean-Yves, Knox, everyone. 
>
> I don't think that word salad is at all the same as
> glossalalia. In spoken glossalalia words are difficult
> to differentiate, one difficulty in studying it. Rap
> is semantically rather than linguistically redundant,
> it seems to me. ;-)
>
> Automatic writing, the "nonsense" form of it, might be
> a good source of written glossalalia, though most
> examples of automatic writing, or channeled writing, I
> know of (The Course in Miracles, OAHSPE, eg.) are quite
> good English. I know French, and Nostradamus is quite
> comprehensible, early modern French with a mix of
> Latin. 
>
> I think that information theory is useful but only to
> a certain extent. I worked with the entropy concept
> for quite a while while I was doing my paper:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/ctesibos/voynich/mbpaper.htm
>
> Entropy is j!
> ust the
>  average number of effective bits
> transmitted per character, an idea invented to deal
> with transmission noise. It is only a crude measure,
> and we must not confuse that with meaning, a much
> broader concept. A file of characters produced by a
> random number generator has a higher entropy than an
> English file of the same file - but has no meaning at
> all! Conversely, Hawaiian has a lower phonemic
> entropy than English - but Jacques assured me that it
> is as concise and meaningful in _expression_ as English
> or French! 
>
> Dennis
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