Re: VMs: Re: Re: Inks and retouching

["GC" <gc-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Damn Larry,
You upstaged me!  I was holding back the fact that the "text" was in
proportionate size to the rest of the text until Nick fell into my trap.
Well anyway, you're right on all counts.  It doesn't have the brown
background of other text, but there is something faint underneath - don't
know what it is, maybe a scrape-off.  It is text however.  Nick, how do you
spell 'phhhhht' in English?

GC

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Roux" <LRoux@xxxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:34 AM
Subject: Re: VMs: Re: Re: Inks and retouching


> What GC is talking about is, in fact, written in blue.  It does appear
> that there is some intentional shape given to the coloring here.  I
> can't say that I would claim it was the word "Sulfer" but it does look
> more like EVA "da??r".  The fact that the writing is the same size as
> the rest of the Voy text is of some consequence.
>
> I would agree that the strokes are not random, but some intentional
> writing.  But what it is is difficult to determine.
>
> By the way, check out the 2 women on the left most side of the same
> pond.  Either the left most woman (the attendant) has a really REALLY
> long arm to be reaching out holding the round thing, or the woman in
> front of her(the Queen) has 3 arms.  A lot of the arms on these women
> seem strange - as if they were drawn first and the women added later.
> They don't seem to fit the bodies.
>
> In the middle pond.  Is the left-most woman holding a pear in her left
> arm?  That would make her really small, or the pear really big.
>
>
>
>
>
> Larry Roux
> Syracuse University
> lroux@xxxxxxx
>
>
> >>> nickpelling@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 8/4/2004 6:57:09 AM >>>
> Hi GC,
>
> At 03:06 04/08/2004 -0600, GC wrote:
> >That's good, keep me jumping!
>
> Jump higher, damn you, higher! :-)
>
> >I refer you to the drawing at the
> >bottom left of f84r.  In this pool there are two general rows of
> bathing
> >women.  I refer you to the top row, sixth (and last) woman on the
> right.
> >Look between her legs - well, a little lower, just above where her
> feet
> >would be.  Tell me that's not writing.
>
> Erm... "that's not writing". :-o
>
> >   When I first saw it I thought it
> >said "Sulpher", but that would be silly?  As with other text, I saw a
> brown
> >tinge to the image in this area, and used John Grove's color tool in
> PSP-7
> >to enhance.  I haven't got the knack of his tool as yet, but there is
> >something here that was definitely written faintly in brown before it
> was
> >covered over with blue writing.  Pull back from the "zoom" position
> for a
> >moment and take in all the rest of the blue strokes in the pool.
>
> I too have looked at the very pattern you're talking about - but take
> away
> the blue wash and it seems to disappear. I wish I could make your
> "sulfer"
> appear through image-processing magic... but I haven't found a way.
> Perhaps
> Jon Grove will have more luck: it may be more of a borderline case than
> it
> seems to me. :-|
>
> >This is not a stroke pattern, but an intended pattern.
>
> I'm not at all sure what you mean by this: are you perhaps claiming
> that
> this pattern was originally written on the page, then deleted, but that
>
> when the blue paint was applied, it spread down to the indentation of
> the
> original (but deleted) writing?
>
> All the same, from my image analysis, I'd say that if there is
> something
> there, it's written in blue, not in brown (however faintly). But even
> so, I
> still can't make it out. :-(
>
> Cheers, .....Nick Pelling.....
>
>
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