Re: VMs: Ways to generate voynichese-like text

[steve ekwall <ekwall2@xxxxxxxx>]

*YES*, each of the 4 gallows represent a different KEY (table)..
the c_gallows_c (of which there are four (4) also are just ITS
mirror [different KEY (table)]

best to you & yours
-=se=-
steve (simple as a 3 fold(ed) piece of paper) ekwall# 

.ps. SWITCH (that is flip/mirroring of key when you reach a 
c_gallows_c or vise.a.verse) on gallows  

 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:31:52 +0300
 From: Marianna Ridderstad <marianna.ridderstad@xxxxxxxxx>
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 Subject: Re: VMs: Ways to generate voynichese-like text
 
 Hello Philip,
 
 There are four tables, because there are 4 gallows. Each gallows denotes the
 table until a following gallows replaces it. Then, in each of the four
 tables one just changes the rows with
 the aid of 4O, O and 8; if there are neither, one just reads the first
 ow  - a caveat is that if one has chosen e.g. table F and has used row 8 but
 then wants to use the first row of F table again, one has to repeat the
 letter F, since it is a marker of a new sequence and "resets" the coding.
 This problem actually could be avoided if we assume that the "ligature
 forms" of letters (G for A, R for I and so on)  would be end forms of a
 sequence... This way we would not have to repeat the gallows every time we
 want to return to line 1 in a table.
 I'll have to think about this; I quess I also should add more comments on my
 notes page since people have not understood my tables...
 
 Best regards,
 Marianna
 
 
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Philip Neal" <philipneal_vms@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:38 PM
 Subject: RE: VMs: Ways to generate voynichese-like text
 
 
 >
 >
 >
 > >From: "Marianna Ridderstad" <marianna.ridderstad@xxxxxxxxx>
 >
 > >I came up with a way to create some voynichese-like text; I put my
 thoughts
 > >on a web page, since the description is quite long:
 > >
 > >http://www.astro.helsinki.fi/~marianna/notes2.txt
 >
 > Interesting. I have often said that the best way to analyse the internal
 > structure
 > of the words is to assume that characters get deleted from a fixed
 > sequence such as EVA qolkshedary:
 >
 > qolkshedary --> qo k  ed  y --> qokedy
 > qolkshedary -->  ol  she ar  --> olshear
 >
 > What I don't see is how the idea about four tables is supposed to fit
 > in with this. I see in general how it works but I can't reproduce the
 > proposed encipherment of etiam.
 >
 > Why four tables and not some other number?
 >
 > Before the last step in which the ciphertext is arbitrarily divided into
 > cipher words, are there only three possible initials for the sequences
 > enciphering an individual plaintext character?
 >
 > In terms of the hidden gap analysis of Voynich word structure, how
 > do you explain the many cases where there are three or more
 > hidden gaps?
 >
 > Assuming that the manuscript is a genuine cipher, this is the kind of
 > cipher I would expect it to be, but I think there are many features
 > of Voynichese which this particular proposal does not cover.
 >
 > Philip Neal
 >
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