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Re: VMs: OT: Ptolemy

Hi, Rene

With all due respect and much gratitude for your
patience, I suggest that we will see some
disagreements on the subject of astrology from time to

It's a controversial topic, the vagaries of which
unfortunately time has done little to mend.  The
absence of scientific interest in astrology during the
recent three hundred-odd years has done nothing to
clarify some of the points we are attempting to iron

Misunderstandings on this topic abound; since it is
possible or probable that the VMs either contains,
refers to, or emphasizes the subject matter of
astrology, our own perceptions of this topic seem to
form the larger context which, for most of us, frames
our understanding of the background of the VMs.  I
think this is what Glenn was trying to say when we got
onto the flat-earth matter.  

People no longer think about astrology as they
probably did in the time of the VMs.  It's not easy to
shift perceptions--if indeed they will bear
shifting--and it's kind of a messy process.  

Please pardon our dust.

For anyone who finds my ideas peculiar or contrary to
what they have assumed or been taught about astrology,
I urge you to take the GC challenge (wink, thank you
for your patience and interest in technology, Glenn): 
learn to cast a chart and interpret it according to
traditional techniques, and we will undoubtedly share
much more thinking about astrology in common.  By the
time you all are proficient astrologers, our
presuppositions and subsequent communications will be
much more clear.
But in the meanwhile you may find that you are
learning and re-learning quite a lot, just as I would
if I were to attempt to become a skilled

As ever grateful for your patience and forbearance,




--- Rene Zandbergen <r_zandbergen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Dear all,
> many books have been written about Ptolemy's
> work and all answers can be found there. I 
> suspect that a web search will even be sufficient.
> His work includes a detailed description of the
> methods used. Spherical trigonometry etc.
> The one question not answered is whether the
> star tables are his own work (as he
> claims) or whether he used Hipparchus' data.
> This is a never-ending controversy of which
> we have no parallel in the study of the Voynich
> MS, which I hope we can concentrate on here.
> Cheers, Rene
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