Re: VMs: OT: Ptolemy

["don latham" <djl@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Pam:  If I remember the last time I looked into Astrology with my scientific
eye, I found that modern practicioners still use the houses as if it were
Ptolemy's time; that is ignore precession altogether.  There are even
ephemeris tables to enable this practice.  Also, the psyc. literature
contains some studies of astrology afflatus versus test derived afflatus
(lovely word) finding that astrology is not a very good predictor. I do
dimly remember casting my own horoscope as well as those of my immediate
family, and finding that I could indeed twist the results to fit nicely.  As
far as Jung, since a horoscope can be nicely manipulated to fit an
individual, why not to fit an archetype or two.
I do remember also our grad psyc study group forming the opinion that an
astrological system might make a dandy projective test like the TAT or the
Rorshach(sp?)
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Richards" <spirlhelix@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: VMs: OT: Ptolemy


> Hi, Rene
>
> With all due respect and much gratitude for your
> patience, I suggest that we will see some
> disagreements on the subject of astrology from time to
> time.
>
> It's a controversial topic, the vagaries of which
> unfortunately time has done little to mend.  The
> absence of scientific interest in astrology during the
> recent three hundred-odd years has done nothing to
> clarify some of the points we are attempting to iron
> out.
>
> Misunderstandings on this topic abound; since it is
> possible or probable that the VMs either contains,
> refers to, or emphasizes the subject matter of
> astrology, our own perceptions of this topic seem to
> form the larger context which, for most of us, frames
> our understanding of the background of the VMs.  I
> think this is what Glenn was trying to say when we got
> onto the flat-earth matter.
>
> People no longer think about astrology as they
> probably did in the time of the VMs.  It's not easy to
> shift perceptions--if indeed they will bear
> shifting--and it's kind of a messy process.
>
> Please pardon our dust.
>
> For anyone who finds my ideas peculiar or contrary to
> what they have assumed or been taught about astrology,
> I urge you to take the GC challenge (wink, thank you
> for your patience and interest in technology, Glenn):
> learn to cast a chart and interpret it according to
> traditional techniques, and we will undoubtedly share
> much more thinking about astrology in common.  By the
> time you all are proficient astrologers, our
> presuppositions and subsequent communications will be
> much more clear.
> But in the meanwhile you may find that you are
> learning and re-learning quite a lot, just as I would
> if I were to attempt to become a skilled
> cryptographer.
>
> As ever grateful for your patience and forbearance,
>
> Warmly,
>
> Pam
>
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> --- Rene Zandbergen <r_zandbergen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > many books have been written about Ptolemy's
> > work and all answers can be found there. I
> > suspect that a web search will even be sufficient.
> >
> > His work includes a detailed description of the
> > methods used. Spherical trigonometry etc.
> >
> > The one question not answered is whether the
> > star tables are his own work (as he
> > claims) or whether he used Hipparchus' data.
> > This is a never-ending controversy of which
> > we have no parallel in the study of the Voynich
> > MS, which I hope we can concentrate on here.
> >
> > Cheers, Rene
> >
> >
> >
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