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Re: OT, was Ptolemy in Re: VMs: Traditional Astrology and the Flat Earth
hi all (& bye again for a few months ;-/)
ref: how one could measure earth (radius)? knowing the sun takes 24
hrs to circle it daily?:
[maybe it's because I live in Colorado high plains here, yet can see
easily the Rocky Mt. range 15-20 miles away on any clear day, as well
as fires that occasionally occur on them.]
One 'primative' of many ways would be to simply insert 2 sticks into
the earth (F_A_R apart)AND note its ~shown shadow angle(s)~ at high
noon in either place (simultainously) THUS the degree of difference is recorded!
*DONE*, but...
HOW to sychcronize your hour glass )available back then?) or exact
TIME.
'Primatively', could be as easy as our South Western indian SMOKE
SIGNALS... however a few friends (say 10-50?) depending on your
terrain
on this globe) could hold 'semephore? FLAGS' and ALL indicating NOON
with a raised (flapping) or a pole dropping?) flag..etc..
I suppose the 'Chineese' could just line up a whole group of people',
holding hands and squeezing the hand next in line when the _emperor_
says
"3,2,1..GO! EVERYBODY SHAKE.HANDS, else be behead'd!!" passing it on
fire-bucket bregaide style. (smiles)
Level shadow sticks using either water drops on all sides equally
- or a simple small bowl of water on/near top for water LEVEL
would do the trick..(and their length above ground (duh equal size
with matching depth mark). Anyway stick 'em in the ground equally and
as FAR apart as you can :-) A semi-circle drawn in the ground (divided
by 12 parts - or your offical (both matching) carbon copy
1/2 circle (cut on dotted line / or not) parchmentS
(with build in hole for stick included no charge !:-)
a compass could help you do/try this in 1 day, but I think THE NORTH
STAR was around back then too -eh?
Don't have 50+ friends to play with you?? get a wife or mistress
(assuming sexism was worse back then?) and having BOTH above will
give you a back-up signal per se (unless THEY catch each other etc..)
saying "WOMAN your pizza is either too hot or too cold! Tomorrow I
want
you to start dinner (or lunch (noon)/whatever) exactly when the sun's
shadow is at THIS stick pointer) not a minute sooner, NOR a minute
later, I will be watching!!!" Then, off you go
solo to prove your experiment :-)
of course MIRRORS (smiles), launched ~flaming arrows~ (cool:-),
released flights of pigeons?, bongo drummings .. (slowest of the above
visuals vs sound speed) could also be deployed.
Finally, since you KNOW where you were, and you KNOW where your AT,
and the TIME is the SAME, you measure the distance BETWEEN the 2
sticks and ~viola~ you can calculate the radius of this 24 hr.
rotating globe. :-) *!*
GPS vs GP 8-) (i see, i see! :-)
ref: my re-leaving the list.. being just 1 of 12 (sigh), and others
have
not shown the signs of the other 11.. I will go and close up things
around here for ~winter~. I should be back in Jan or April.. hopefully
by then you guys & gals should have a handle on the ~folding~ <ES>
said NO RUSH!, But, the Time is now! (smiles)
This current astrology/astronomy string makes me grit my teeth so bad
that it actually hurts...(grRrr).. <ES's> biggest laughing out loud
(thundersly
too:-0.. was in answer "NO, (HA.HA.HAA!) THOSE ARE _NOT STARS_!, THEY
ARE SUCCESSFUL BIRTHS. MALES HAVE A DOT IN THE CENTER!"
so, my ~little guess?~ is you will find the 'vms chars' on the stars
will NOT
related
to heavenly bodies per se, but _Male_ Names (all different too)
.
Anyway, hope my FIRE/SMOKE transmission analogy didn't offend any
one(s)
on the list .. if so, sorry, I apologize, as the 'wifey' here does
make _excellent pizza_!
Best to all :-)
HOTly (as i'm an ARIES! :-) (#1! of 12) :-O
-=se=-
steve (FOLD your KEY/ The TIME IS NOW!) ekwall :-)
-=ciao=->#< -=oaic=-
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:33:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pamela Richards <spirlhelix@xxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: OT,
was Ptolemy in Re: VMs: Traditional Astrology and the Flat Earth
HI, Elmar
To think, this question was not rhetorical!
I wish I had more concrete information; as far as I
can tell, Ptolemy made and recorded repeated
observations in his work on Optics, but I don't know
if he applied the same methods to this problem, or
not. It sounds from what he is saying as though he
had compared objective measurements over time, but
whether he recorded or published these or not, I don't
know.
If I ever find out, I'll get back to you on this.
Warmly,
Pam
--- elvogt@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Zitat von Pamela Richards <spirlhelix@xxxxxxxxx>:
>
> > Hi, Elmar
> >
> > Calculating the difference in the heavens in a
> > different time and location is the essence
> > constructing a horoscope. Ptolemy knew that the
> sun
> > set at different times for different longitudes
> > (distances east and west).
>
> And this is exactly my question: How did he measure
> time with the necessary
> accuracy? Or, which amounts to the same, how did he
> synchronize events which
> were seperated by a considerable distance? A rough
> estimate would assume a
> difference of some 15km as the equivalent of 1', the
> smallest increment he
> would be able to measure.
>
> I'm honestly curious, because having studied physics
> I appreciate the
> experimental problem...
>
> >
> > No news of the Monkees?
>
> Currently, I favour the Batman hypothesis.
>
> >
> > Warmly,
> >
> > Pam
> >
>
> Cheers,
>
> Elmar
>
>
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