Re: VMs: Re: Leo Levitov questions

[Ronald Lorenzo <rlorenzomba@xxxxxxxxx>]

--- Elmar Vogt <elvogt@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 
> 
> Ronald Lorenzo wrote:
> > 1 + 1 = 2 only in some systems of mathematics.  
> 
> No. If we're using the same nomenclature, it's
> always true. (Actually, it's 
> more of a definition, but you get the idea -- the
> conclusions drawn from it 
> will always hold true.)

In some mathematical system, extant, extinct, or not
yet invented, that statement is not factual.
 
> Facts exist regardless of the names we give them.
> The terms we use for 
> entities change nothing on those things. Just
> because you drop mute doesn't 
> mean the things you can't name anymore will vanish.
 
Like the Florida ballots.  The "fact" that one ballot
was a valid vote (or not) was contingent on legal
circumstance, timing, and other factors.  Yes, facts
change.

 
> > Facts are social constructs as well.  ...
> 
> Did it ever occur to you to discriminate between
> "theories", "statements", 
> and "facts", between "true" and "false"?
 
I am not in the business of proposing and defining
dichotomies.
 
> > Cheers.
> > 
> > - R. Lorenzo
> > 
> 
> If your thesis is to be interpreted as "All facts
> are subject to change due 
> to the social constructs around them", then by the
> same token your very 
> claim falls in this category. Which means it could
> or couldn't be true. 
> Which in turn means, the statement is meaningless
> and I can safely ignore it.

If you could safely ignore it, then you might not have
responded to the original post.
 
> 	Elmar
> 


Cheers!

- R. Lorenzo


		
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