Re: Re: VMs: Pleiades Occultation Further Date Refinement

["jan" <hurychj@xxxxxxxxx>]

 Hello Dennis 
  
  
=======  You wrote:  
 
 
>	I am doing that.  Kennedy and Churchill noticed a lot of 
>things.   I have noticed some others.

Worth further investigation, for sure. Jokingly, I mentioned  Rorschach,
but it is a known fact that mental patients
can draw the pictures that to skilled  psychiatrist can reveal the nature of 
their sickness.
  
>	Yes.  Oliver Sacks, a famous neurologist who wrote 
>*Migraine*, a standard reference, noted that scotomata are 
>almost exclusively found in migraine as I recall.  We must 
>also do as doctors do, and look for several factors to 
>decide on a diagnosis.

Right, the role of these factors in art as well is already confirmed 
and cannot be underestimated. Has anybody studied that particular
 kind of symbolism in the VM?

>	These points are well taken.  However, I have heard very 
>little mention of definite constellations to be found in the 
>VMs.  The Pleiades are about the only instance I can think 
>of - all of which suggests that there is usually no such 
>pattern involved.

Well, in the same diagram, there are clusters of 2, 3 and 4 stars, 
 They do  not look like constellations, but they are quite symmetrical
arrangements, something  I suppose migraine nor  random
generation would not create.  The others look  like they were 
comfortably put in, without  any particular arrangement, 
but nothing interesting about them except of course their numbers.  


 One certainly doesn't expect consistency in 
>an artwork.

I assume that  applies to migraine pictures too, I would assume
them being even more random then those "random generated by man".
But as you say, not all of them are
 generated one way only. Pleiades  are apparently  the 
result of the third method of  creation. 
>
>	In another post, you asked 'So what?' to the migraine 
>hypothesis.   To me that would make it more likely that the 
>VMs is the work of just one person.  

Right. I restate the question: so what next?  We already found a lot of
premeditated and thought-of stuff in the VM. We should be starting  then
the  separation of the  intent from the visions else we get in real mess.
Unfortunately, that would not be easy.

 We might expect some 
>of the plants to be known migraine remedies.  We might wish 
>to investigate Renaissance-era thinking about migraine or 
>headaches.  Words relating to migraine could be cribs - just 
>as the Pleiades hypothesis could provide us with cribs.   We 
>might wish to study migraine art further.  Migraine art is a 
>genre; just do a search on 'migraine art'.   There could be 
>other implications, and I am still thinking about that.
>

One practical question: do  the visions of stars stay long enough
in sight of the person to be copied on  the paper? Or  is there as
well the factor of  memory or added imagination? Can we see somewhere
on Net (or elsewhere) the pictures generated by migraine? 

To me it looks more like the stars in that folio were put there
 in premeditated arrangements - even the highest number (18) 
fits nicely in the reserved sector. Also, why do all stars have eight
rays? That to me looks  more  like  symbols of stars with some 
hidden meaning than some recorded vision only.

Regards,

Jan 
 





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