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Subject: VMs: Re: "OT/Local?"
From: steve ekwall <ekwall2@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 23:51:53 -1000 (HST)
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hi jean john nick & all :-)

 From: jean-yves artero <jyartero@xxxxxxxx>
 Hi John, Steve and all
[snip].......  
 About missing:
  
 Here is an excerpt of page 304 of the catalogue of medieval and renaissance manuscripts Beinecke library Yale vol.II (Mss 251-500) written by Barbara Shailor (MRTS, new York, 1987), about MS 408:
  
 "Parchment. ff. 102 (foliation, s. xvi, Arabic numerals; not every leaf foliated) + i (paper), including 5 double-folio, 3 triple-folio, 1 quadruple-folio and 1 sextuple-folio folding leaves. 225x160mm."
  
 "Collation is difficult, due to the number of fold-out leaves that are not always foliated consistently. I-VII8 (f.12 missing), VIII4 (leaves foliated 59 through 64 missing from center of quire), IX2 (double and triple fold-out leaves), X2 (1 triple fold-out), XI2 ( 1 quadruple fold-out), XII2 (f.74 missing, followed by stubs of conjugate leaves), XIII10, XIV1 (sextuple fold-out), XV4 ( 1 triple and 1 double fold-out), XV4 
 ( 1 triple and 1 double fold-out), XVI4 ( 1 double fold-out; ff.91,92,97,98 missing, 2 stubs between 94 and 95), XVII4 ( 2 double fold-outs, XVIII12 (ff. 109-110, central bifolium, missing)." 
 
 Jean
 
 Koontz John E <John.Koontz@xxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit:
 
 On Thu, 26 May 2005, steve ekwall wrote:
 > (NOTE: NOTHING IS MISSING [per your below](per folding)) ...
 
 We may not be on the same wavelength here. I meant missing in the sense
 of a practice or custom not followed that one might expect would have been
 followed. The expressing "nothing is missing" suggests you interpreted me
 to mean missing in the sense of taken away. I just meant conventions
 omitted, not material.
 --------------------------
 
WE are diffently _NOT on the 'same page' here_ (& hopefully my server 
will come back ON line soon (sorry about that), but i don't own the 
ISP company here...))-: 

"_EACH_ voynich character".. IS A "_Pointer_ Character! :-)


o..... "THE _Structure_" of EACH of the individual "weird characters" 
shapes, [that no one can identify in 'existing past/post Languages]' 
in the vms: are due to its basic _FORM_ of what i call the ~simple~ 
"TTT" 
or Tic-Tac-Toe design! The scribe(s?) just folded a piece of parchment 
in the 'pre described manner' and used _its FACE (BLANK FOLDED PAPER)_ 
for a POINTER of one of the "9" (nine) AREAS on a folded piece of 
parchment. (THE BLANK FOLDED PAPER is of no consicience, BUT it's 
'position(ing)', WITHIN _IT_ IS !!!!!!!  *T*H*E*_*K*E*Y* !!!!!!

For those that have seen a movie called close encounters or ET or 
Contact etc... "NO NO NO NO NO!" ... you DO NOT FOLD YOUR ORIGINAL 
vms PAGES!!!! (duh!). "THE ~FolDInG~" is how the 'shapes' of the vms 
characters CAME TO BE (scribed/shaped) (back then) !

0.... A WHOLE (say ENGLISH) Alphabet AND NUMBERS _can be fit_ within 
1/2 its "TTT" squares ... or areas for coding & DEcoding!!!!

O... ANY language/numbers CAN be "DOUBLED/or MIRRORED" with the 
C_gallows_C addition (thus our unexplained 'entropy'), simply add a 
c_gallows_c character OR to invert if your all ready upside down 
(flipped on 'key', simply add a NON c_gallows_c [like eva T etc..])

NOTE: ITS "SIMPLER THAN YOU THINK"... SO 'JUMP TO THE "GALLOWS" 
SECTION OF WHERE YOU WANT TO CONTINUE YOUR WORD or SENTENCE STRUCTURE' 
!

O..... I'm pretty sure its _NOT_  (UNcoded) 'english' by the way :-(

O..... ES said not only are pages 'missing', & THEY (some)[vms - 
current pages] _ARE_ also  OUT OF ORDER! Now There's another ~bummer~ :-(

O.....[IF: i tore out pages of say 'your bible'... the 'message' IS 
STILL THERE! but, how to READ IT if your "illiterate" in the _script_ it is 
written in ????? (old greek / hebrew / code language../etc...)

O..... The 'missing pages' are NOT required to use the DEcoding, as 
EVERY PAGE (almost EVERY paragraph etc can be decoded with the ONE 
simple key [ABOVE ~FOLDING~](in whatever language you choose)).... 
, you "simply" follow (gallow/_AND_/**_lower_ character shape(s)..)  
your most "mysterious GALLOWS CHARACTERS" I always chuckle to myself 
when i read about the 'frustrations' some have here... IT IS SIMPLER 
THAN YOU THINK! (ES)....

** (my lower case troubles below)

X:(example): =>>> the/1st "gallow" EVA T, (1st ~crazy gallow top/left) 
f42V 
_AND_ 
the ~weirdo~ (1st gallows/ loop-de-loop) f42R ARE _""ALL THE SAME""_ 
!!! 
They _all_ START at the _bottom_ (pen,menship,wise) then GO "UP".. 
It matters NOT what you "do" UP THERE (see f42V for best example of 
~crazy embillishments (plus))~ IF YOU (scribe) "turn Once, Twice, 
Thrice on the right, ===> it's STILL an 'eva T' <=== ... its wide open 
'script' until you follow the _line_ DOWN (_RETURN line to bottom_) 
Home .. etc.. 

O.... THUS the ~FOLDING~ (& MiRrOr of another of itself 1/2'd) KEY !!
not only supplies a 'complete' key... but actually a DOUBLE/MiRrOr key 
too/.)  

O...."THIS Manuscript" was MEANT to be CODED (very coded/per ES) from 
its conception! (hopefully i'll get little argument there/here)!

O....the c's,cc's and c TOP_c_ c's, show you some BACK UP on the 
Master key page... now assumed ~missing~ (but not needed to DEcode) [see 2nd 
paragraph of f42V 'second (2nd) word "cCc" etc...]


** lower case trouble(s)... I can only assume that the lower case 
letters ARE POINTERS TOO?, and follow the same 'matrix/areas' of the 
fold(ing)... so THERE SHOULD NOT be more that 2 sets of 'FORWARD  
pointing characters (8/9 total)... AND THERE SHOULD NOT BE MORE than 2 
sets of 'BACKward' ["cut backs/per ES"] 'reverse pointing 
characters'..(8/9 total).  
"I KNOW THE GALLOWS" (1 of 12) I NEED THE LoW
eR CASE.... c's are Either STAND ALONE ' line crossed on top (2), OR 
3c'd 
(example: f42v 2nd paragraph 3rd letter AND 3c's "2nd WORD" +"o")


final thoughts for the night here: 

WHY does the #2 (far upper right of a TTT board appear MORE OFTEN then 
say then the (ES START ES #1) eva T?)), seem to start _most vms_ 
paragraphs? Is that a section (TTT grid) with like A,E,I,O,U,? 

~personally, i have to assume it's _simpler_ than that~ :-/

IS 'Eva T' (folded) our missing NUMBERS (area)? like 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 
AND is the _center_ "0" ??  

so the "ANSWER" will be numeric BEFORE Alphabetical ??
as in 1234567890ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
-vs-
OR in ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ1234567890


I never said "'I' can DEcode this, ES said "YOU can decode this", 'I' 
said you have the ~wrong person here~!! ARrGGGggGGGgggggg


(I just hope 1/2 way between where i'm at and your coming too/from  
dosn't make anyone go too ~nuts~) :-o

best to you & yours
-=se=-
steve (back under my rock (again/\niaga)) ekwall



WHEN DID "WE" (exactly) 'invent' (arabic?) "0"???


ES  ==> IT'S OLDER THAN YOU THINK! :-)


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