Re: VMs: Michelangelo "code"

[Clay Holden <cholden@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 6/21/05 7:51 AM, "jona b stulz" <jonabstulz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I agree with Tom.

Of course you do. 

> If there hadn't been a mystery about the vms that
> makes us wondering/studying/working on possible
> solutions in the first place the list wouldn't exist
> at all!

This list is and has always been an interdisciplinary group of
cryptographers, historians, mathematicians and a wide variety of experts and
amateurs from a broad range of backgrounds. Everybody offers some of their
expertise in a spirit of community. Everyone is free to dissect someone
else's pet theory or suggested solution if it does not hold water.

Nobody here has charged any other member a dime for that work. It is all pro
bono work, for the good of the community, with a common goal in mind.

The Ms.408 group are running a commercial enterprise, attempting to sell
their alleged translation as some sort of new religious training. They come
from a background of NLP, and Ms. Papke is running seminars on their
"solution" to the Voynich at pretty hefty prices. They are also publishing
for profit images of the Voynich MS, and until they were told to stop, were
using Gabriel's EVA font in their publications.

Kind of like the difference between Open Source and Microsoft, with stolen
code into the bargain.

This would make the solution suspect on its own, even if the "translation"
was not such utter incoherent junk.

> I believe the ms408-project is a valid suggestion for
> finding a possible solution. It requires
> out-of-the-b0x thinking!!!! And besides....it offers a
> very beautiful logic.
> It is definitely worth checking
> out (for real: see Tom's reply).
> 
> Jona

You have been posting on this list for about three weeks, Tom has posted
exactly once. Every one of your posts has been about the Papke "solution".

You have expressed a lack of interest in reading the archives of this list
to understand what sort of work has been done by the people here. Yet you
continue to post enthusiastically about the Papke "solution" and nothing
else.

I suspect you and Tom are shilling for the Ms.408 people.

If the beauty and logic of the Papke "solution" gives you value for your
money, by all means send it to them. Few people here (other than you and
Tom) are impressed with what has come out of their project so far.

Clay

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