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RE: VMs: Michelangelo "code"

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Subject: RE: VMs: Michelangelo "code"
From: jona b stulz <jonabstulz@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:47:44 -0700 (PDT)
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PS
I never ha a problem with spending money on things
that were presented to me interestingly enough to go
buy the book, see the movie or aquire another piece of
techno junk that didn't work. The process of finding
out if I like something or not makes me happy.


--- jona b stulz <jonabstulz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Dear Rob,
> I like your contribution here. And I do see your
> point
> very well. 
> So do I really understand some other comments made. 
> Actually, I very much agree with what you call 
> 'normal procedure'. I can only assume the reasons
> the
> authors had not to do it this way.
> And just like you I do appriciate the nature of an
> open forum. I have learned a lot in these past
> couple
> of days. I do believe in certain rules of
> communication though(I have to, that's what I teach
> my
> children every day). 
> However, I have to assume the vms-list not being the
> target group for this book. Perhaps that explains
> why
> some people react (according to Heidi) as if their
> toy
> was attempted to be taken away... I don't know - I
> really don't want to be judgemental! 
> What surprised me though was that expressing my
> (obvious) positive oppinion (well, I kinda have to
> be
> positive...I signed up for it - whether deluded or
> not)could make other people feel offended. I was not
> aware that this subject would have the potential to
> stir up so much ...
> And I felt kinda honored that some people believe I
> could have anything to do with publishing the ms408
> project... I might be deluded - but I could never
> come
> up wih a theory of my own...I'm just a smart-assing
> ex-wannabe-chemist raising for children in sunny
> florida dealing with jeaulous neighbors and dog-poop
> on my brand-new floors :-)
> 
> Dear Heidi,
> I would like to respond to your email 'big trouble
> ahead'.I like what you wrote and I agree with many
> points of yours. I don't seem to have the permission
> though to write about the context of the ms408 (at
> least not without aggrevating too many enlisted
> writers). That simply doesn't make me feel good.
> 
> I wasn't alive or old enough when all these other
> big
> theories came out. I am enjoying being able to
> discuss
> this one for the heck of it.
> Therefore I came to the realization that this forum
> probably isn't the right place to discuss issues of
> the ms408 project. Therefore, I will be using the
> ms408 forum for this particular purpose.
> 
> Jona (Bryndis) Stulz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Robert Hicks <RHicks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
> > This is all getting a touch beligerent and rude.
> >  
> > Tom, don't take offense to anybody's attempts to
> > flay the ms408 project alive - it's the nature of
> an
> > open forum.  Normal procedure is to put your
> theory
> > forward and let it get slashed to ribbons.  What
> > annoys us about ms408 is the way they've skipped
> > that part of the process, announced a solution,
> and
> > demanded money for their 'insights'.  I'm sure the
> > authors know that their 'solution' could never
> > survive analysis on the forum, or, at best, are
> > afraid of being made to look stupid.  But, we're
> all
> > allowed to make occasional asses of ourselves here
> -
> > we even expect it.  Most of the best research into
> > the VMS has been done by throwing a wild
> suggestion
> > to the forum lions and studying the viscera.  Six
> > months ago I proudly announced that I'd identified
> > the author (by comparison with another
> manuscript). 
> > I hadn't, of course, and many thanks to all whose
> > comments put me straight.  I'd rather look a twit
> > than continue in a pointless direction.  The
> history
> > of VMS study is dotted with examples of people who
> > have deluded themselves into seeing something that
> > isn't there (Newbold, Strong, Levitov, etc), but
> we
> > do respect these scholars.  Why?  Because they
> have
> > only deluded themselves - it's all too easy to do
> -
> > and their research was ultimately carried out for
> > the love of it.  We have learned much from their
> > mistakes.  I object to the authors of the ms408
> > project because they are clearly not deluded -
> they
> > are out to delude, and make a fast buck from it.
> >  
> > Rob
> > 
> >
>
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