# Re: VMs: just another newbie

Hello everybody,

What I 'm actually interested is Chiamo Porta's (yeah-that same Giabattista) idea how to code a single letter easily with multiple symbols.
Porta used Roman numerals so one char was replaced with multiple ones and the coding could variate char by char.
E g if a's value is 1, the first a could be presented by I (1), second a could be presented by IIIIV (5-1+1+1+1) and so on, as long result of section of numbers is 1. To avoid confusion writer should also use other symbols to separate number sections.

My trial to extract subcharacters under each VMS character is just a side path but it is anyway interesting. There's also some evidence that might show that these subsymbols exists: In folio 100r, in the first proper paragraph, in the first line, see the fifth string. Its first "t" is surely not a single character. So I think this is something to investigate.

Here's my subsymbols (haven't separeted e's and c's, connecting line (3) is not ignored):

number/ascii/

```1 '
2  a = e + i
3 b = e + [33]
4 c = e + 3
5 d = e + 2
6 e
7 f = 6 + 4
8 g = e + 1
9 h = 3 + e
10 i
11 j = i + 2
12 k = 6 + 5
13 l
14 m = i + 1
15 n = i + 7
16 o
17 p = q + 4
18 q
19 r = i + '
20 s = e + '
21 t = q + 5
22 u = e + i + '
23 v
24 x = (possible some kind of combination of v and -)
25 y = e + ' or ' + e
26 z = (possible: i + l ?)```

These are additional ones (the depended):

```27 1
28 2
29 3 ( - )
30 4
31 5
32 6 ( | )
33 7```

I am starting with assumption that 'i' stands for Roman number 1.

Dennis wrote:

Welcome, Heikki!

Koontz John E wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Heikki Qvist wrote:

```I am checking one possibility for VMS. It means splitting the EVA
alphabet. An example: a=>c+i or c+i+3 This requires seven more symbols
for use. I just call them 1,2,3,4,5,6,7. These are depended characters
because they cannot be used as they are, only with another symbols as a
combination. There is also 9 symbols which works independly like o and
i.
```

It would clearly alter the statistics of the text significantly if the
process of dissociation association wasn't one to n or n to one. (There
must be a term in function theory for this, but I don't know it.) What
you suggest, both generally and also specifically, e.g., a => c i (or e i)
has been discussed in the past on the list.

I certainly don't want to discourage you; I believe this could be a productive line of inquiry. However, I would like to remind everyone that with scripts in general, it is not just the strokes that matter, but also the connections between them. In English one could represent
d -> c+l but then substituting /cl/ for every d in a text would obscure genuine /cl/ combinations.

With the VMs we often discuss strokes in isolation because the characters are so obviously based on i-strokes and c-strokes, and also because the connections between strokes are often unclear. But I don't think we can ignore the connections either. At least, we need to analyze whether just representing the strokes without any connections really gives an unambiguous result. Surely it is possible to test this, though I'm not sure how.

Dennis

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