Tr: Re: VMs: Hi from another newbie

[jean-yves artero <jyartero@xxxxxxxx>]

Hi

About Richard Strein:

http://www.the-orb.net/encyclop/langling/marchlessons/gothasides.html

He is linked to the Codex Argenteus story; he bought
the boook for Rudolph II:

The Codex Argenteus

"Sweden had gotten a new Queen (Christina; remember
Greta Garbo), imperious and scholarly.   Her favorite
was a young semi-French gallant named Magnus Gabriel
de la Gardie.   He turned a mean calf (no falsche
Waden a la Goethe) and had his own hair; one could
write a great deal (and a great deal has been written)
about their romance.   Both he and the queen were
interested mainly in learning, and when Koenigsmarck
took Little Prague in 1648, the queen was overjoyed at
the opportunity to increase her library and wrote to
her emissary (Stolpe 1960:21):  'Do not forget to take
over and send to me the library and the rare items
which are in Prague; as you know, that is the only
thing I really care about.'

One of these rare items was the CA,which Rudolph II
and Richard Strein had acquired from Werden, under not
unsuspicious circumstances.   When the queen abdicated
in 1654, she paid her librarian, Isaac Vossius, nephew
of Junius, in books, among them the CA.  One of those
lucky happenings; probably no one in the world was
better equipped to read it than Junius, to whom the
nephew confided it.   He had great troubles reading
it, and his Observationesas well as his later edition
show this.   He transliterated both g and j as g, for
example.  It is mainly in his hand that the marginal
notes in the CAare written."  

Jean


--- jean-yves artero <jyartero@xxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:58:20 +0200 (CEST)
> De: jean-yves artero <jyartero@xxxxxxxx>
> Objet: Re: VMs: Hi from another newbie
> À: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> Hi 
> 
>
http://alfama.sim.ucm.es/dioscorides/consulta_libro.asp?ref=X531772070
> 
> AUTHOR Sambucus, Johannes
> TITLE Icones veterum aliquot, ac recentium
> medicorum,
> philosophorumque, elogiolis suis editae
> URL
>
http://alfama.sim.ucm.es/dioscorides/consulta_libro.asp?ref=X531772070
> SITE Biblioteca Universidad Complutense
> SUBJECT Iconography
> NOTES Dpr of the 1574 Antwerp edition
> 
> In these "icones" are included a portrait of
> Mattioli
> and of Sambucus as well.
> 
> Jean
> 
> --- Dana Scott <dscott520@xxxxxxx> a écrit :
> 
> > Rene,
> > 
> > Here are a few references to the individuals you
> > mentioned below.
> > 
> > Johannes Sambucus:
> >
>
http://www.pytheas.hu/ereszletes14.htm<http://www.pytheas.hu/ereszletes14htm>
> >
>
http://www.aeiou.at/aeiou.encyclop.s/s051114.htm<http://www.aeiou.at/aeiou.encyclop.s/s051114.htm>
> >
>
http://www.mek.iif.hu/porta/szint/tarsad/konyvtar/tortenet/borsa/html/bgkvti_2/bgki0262de.htm<http://www.mek.iif.hu/porta/szint/tarsad/konyvtar/tortenet/borsa/html/bgkvti_2/bgki0262de.htm>
> > 
> > Richard Strein:
> >
>
http://bryn.webz.cz/rudolf_text.html<http://bryn.webz.cz/rudolf_text.html>
> > 
> > Jacopo Strada:
> >
>
http://kmoddl.library.cornell.edu/biographies/Strada/index.php<http://kmoddl.library.cornell.edu/biographies/Strada/index.php>
> >
>
http://www.artnet.com/library/08/0816/T081696.asp<http://www.artnet.com/library/08/0816/T081696.asp>
> >
>
http://www.glar.gl/strada.htm<http://www.glar.gl/strada.htm>
> >
>
http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/t/tiziano/2portrai/strada.html<http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/t/tiziano/2portrai/strada.html>
> >
>
http://www.h-net.msu.edu/reviews/showrev.cgi?path=22146919960248<http://www.h-net.msu.edu/reviews/showrev.cgi?path=22146919960248>
> > 
> > Ottavio Strada: (Jacopo's son)
> >
>
http://www.artnet.com/library/08/0817/T081703.asp<http://www.artnet.com/library/08/0817/T081703.asp>
> > 
> > Katerina Stradova: (Jacopo's daughter)
> >
>
http://www.gymck.cz/~legendy/donjulius.html<http://www.gymck.cz/~legendy/donjulius.html>
> > 
> > Dana
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Rene
> > Zandbergen<mailto:r_zandbergen@xxxxxxxxx> 
> >   To:
> > vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
> >   Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:19 AM
> >   Subject: Re: VMs: Hi from another newbie
> > 
> > 
> >   Dear all,
> > 
> >   in response to the following conversation:
> > 
> >   >>> what's wrong with the dee-kelly hypothesis?
> > 
> >   >> The fact that the only evidence available is
> >   >> circumstantial at best.
> > 
> >   > IMHO that does not justify a strong sentence
> > like
> >   > "we don't believe that  Dee and Kelly had
> > anything
> >   > to do with it either", especially since there 
> >   > are not better hypotesis available (AFAIK)
> > 
> >   There is no positive evidence that Dee and/or
> >   Kelly sold the VMs to Rudolf.
> >   There are literally hundreds of people who sold
> >   items to Rudolf, who was a veritable collector
> of
> >   art and artefacts.
> >   There are many people known to have
> >   sold books to Rudolf. 
> > 
> >   Wilfrid Voynich wrote in his 1922 article that
> he
> >   had studied this part of history, and identified
> > John
> >   Dee as the most likely candidate, because he was
> >   most likely to sell a book of R.Bacon to Rudolf.
> > 
> >   Since this selection criterium has been
> > discredited,
> >   Dee is no longer the most likely candidate!
> > 
> >   Because of Voynich's statement, the lives of Dee
> >   and Kelly have been scrutinised in order to find
> >   more potential evidence. Nothing firm has been
> >   found, but lots of circumstantial stuff.
> > 
> >   Had other people been scrutinsed as much in
> >   this direction, I am fully convinced that equal
> >   amounts
> >   of circumstantial would have been found. This
> >   is pure speculation, but I think it is justified
> -
> > we
> >   see as much in this list, where supporting
> > evidence
> >   for any and every theory can be collected
> easily.
> > 
> >   Three candidates (among the many) whom I would
> >   find particularly promising in this respect
> (more
> > so
> >   than Dee or Kelly) would be:
> >   - Joannes Sambucus
> >   - Richard Strein von Schwarzenau
> >   - Jacopo Strada
> > 
> >   I doubt that the internet is a good source for
> > details
> >   about these people, but you never know....
> > 
> >   Cheers, Rene
> 
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