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RE: VMs: Reasearching the VMs at Beinecke

Hello Jean,

Well, I am not quite sure I follow you. Missing folios were either removed as a set by complete vellum copies or they were removed by half of the vellum being cut out (as for example was done with folio 12, which really irks me). The cut out vellum once exited with the current binding and for whatever reason was removed. Whether or not full vellum inserts once existed and have since been removed is unknown to me, except for the skips in the numbering scheme, which may be somewhat suspect. If there is proof of actual missing text (prior transcriptions or bleed across), then sure I would suspect that they once existed. So, I would keep pursuing what investigative work I can. As far as the logic of the layout is concerned, I am uneasy with the current binding of the manuscript. This may be because major sections were grouped seperately and developed by separate scribes for varying reasons. And also there is the question of missing folios, which is certainly very possible, given the number of times the manuscript has been rebound and vandalized.



Regards,
Dana




From: jean-yves artero <jyartero@xxxxxxxx>
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Subject: RE: VMs: Reasearching the VMs at Beinecke
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:15:57 +0200 (CEST)

Hi Dana,

Many thanks for this; it's a sort of scoop since many
studies mentionned missing pages till now.

My understanding is that the numbering matter apart,
you did not find any evidence of missing development
of picture, am I wrong or not?

Regards,

Jean Artero

--- DANA SCOTT <dscott520@xxxxxxx> a écrit :

> Hi Jean,
>
> A quick answer to the missing 12 pages, for example,
> is that they might not
> be missing at all since they may never have existed
> to begin with.  Sure, if
> we go by the numbers then one could say that they
> must be missing.  But the
> current folios 58v and 65r are on the same piece of
> vellum and perhaps there
> never were any additional folios inserted between.
> Two reasons why this
> came to mind are that the number 66 at the top of
> the rightmost folio which
> follows the missing set might actually be a forged
> 55 (it kind of looks like
> the 6 may actually have been penned originally as a
> 5 and turned into a 6
> with an added stroke).  The second thought is that I
> saw no evidence of
> there having been any insertions added between
> folios 58v and 65r.  Who
> knows?  I will keep looking for evidence of these
> missing folios.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Dana Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: jean-yves artero <jyartero@xxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: RE: VMs: Reasearching the VMs at Beinecke
> >Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:45:45 +0200 (CEST)
> >
> >Hi Dana
> >
> >Thanks for the kind proposal.
> >
> >Perhaps an idea would be to get an impression about
> >the missing pages; it is easier I think when you
> have
> >a paper version in front of you; one question for
> >instance could be: is there any logic in the
> missings
> >and if yes what is this logic, as you see it?
> >
> >Of course a bigger one and more difficult but once
> >again better to ask oneself in the library is :
> what
> >is your overall impression about the logic of VMS
> as
> >it is now...
> >
> >Jean
> >
> >--- DANA SCOTT <dscott520@xxxxxxx> a écrit :
> >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I am currently researching the VMs and
> accompanying
> > > documents at the
> > > Beinecke Library.  It is a wonderful experience
> to
> > > be able to examine the
> > > original incunabula.  If anyone has a burning
> need
> > > for me to examine a
> > > particular item, please do not hesitate to ask.
> I
> > > will be here next week as
> > > well.
> > >
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > > Dana Scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
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