Re: Quire 14 - The 'map' pages.

["John Grove" <John@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dang that folio, gathering, quire terminology! I was just about to send
another line calling Origami as I've been playing fold the paper too and
managed to end up with 86v3 as the last page in the quire showing on the
outside flap as well.

Thanks Jim for your description again - although I'm not quite sure you
folded the same way I did - we both started at the same place and ended at
the same place so it works well to collaborate my 'quire number should be
the last page of a quire' rule for page ordering - and thus adding weight to
the misplacement of quire #9 specifically.

John.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Reeds" <reeds@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "John Grove" <John@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "VMS List" <voynich@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Folio 14 - The 'map' pages.


> I thought the situation with the folding of quire 14 (or
> gathering 14, or signature 14, but not 'folio' 14) was
> explained in my
>
> http://www.research.att.com/~reeds/voynich/checklist.txt :
>
>
>      What about ff 85 & 86?  Here we have a horizontal foldout crease,
>      and two vertical creases, so the whole piece of vellum is
>      divided into 6 panels (or rather, each side of the vellum is
>      divided into 6 panels): 3 above the horiz crease and 3 below.
>
>      When folded out, with the 9 disk thing visible, we see this
>      configuration:
>
>              85/86v2         85/86r4         85/86r6
>              85/86v1         85/86r3         85/86r5
>
>      with binding gutter between v1 and r3.
>
>      On the opposite side (which one cannot actually see complete
>      on one unfolding, because the rest of the book gets in the way)
>      one has
>
>              85/86v6         85/86v4         85/86r2
>              85/86v5         85/86v3         85/86r1
>
>      with binding gutter beteen v3 and r1.
>
> Starting from the completely unfolded 9-disk thing in front of you,
> here is how you fold it up: first, along the horizontal crease.
> Then along the crease separating r3 from r4. At this stage you
> face what looks like an ordinary book opening, with 85r2 (or
> 85/85r2 as we call it) on the left of the binding gutter and 86v5
> (that is, 85/86v5) on the right facing up. But there are really 2
> thicknesses of vellum on the left and 4 on the right. Turn over
> the 4-fold thick page on the right, and you see 86v3, the last
> visible page of the quire when in its folded up position. No
> mystery.
>
> I found it very helpful to take a sheet of 8 1/2 by 11 paper
> and fold it up this way, writing the page numbers on it and
> so on, making a little mockup of gathering 14.  (Start with
> the sheet held the long way.) (I call mine "Voynichula".)
>
> --
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>
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