VMs: RE: The Eva alphabet

["GC" <glenclaston@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Steve,
To be honest, I got about as far as the Mad
Magazine folding diagram and got lost.  Can you
tell me how this relates to the VMS, and generally
how you believe this is used for encipherment?
I'm kinda lost......

GC

> -----Original Message-----
> From: steve ekwall [mailto:ekwall2@xxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:08 PM
> To: GC
> Cc: Voynich Ms. mailing list; Steve
> Subject: Re: VMs: RE: The Eva alphabet
>
>
> hi GC & all :-)
>
> ~11/2000??
>
> GC, i think I joined AFTER you and you
> came BACK on the list AFTER I
> announced my ES Folding Key
> adventure!.. if you haven't been to
> http://www.diac.com/~ekwall2/voynich/fol
ding101.shtml it might be
> worth a look as the "c's" might be just
> "back steppers" there?
> (or ~splice em~ characters)...as:
>
>
> c= back 1
>
> c_c = back 2
>
>  c    (your 'plumed? c?)
> c_c = back 3 keys (MY 3C's)  2
> connected c's with REVERSE c on top!
>
>
> the different c, (stand alone c's)
>
> ccc = is back 3 quadrandts etc.. NOT
> CONNECTED with top bar (ever ?)
>
> else KEY(S) would be larger than 3x3 (fold key)
>
> So,
> I don't think you'll ever find a C_C_C
> combo in the vms - but I've
> been proved wrong before here (ha.haa)
> HIT ME with your best shots you
> computer guys - I'm hard.copyflo guy
> here only :-(   lol
>
> ~PLUMED C~,
> you WILL find many a double C_C with c
> on top, followed by c c and
> maybe even a 3rd c / but/NOT connected
> with overbars on the 3Cs..etc.
>
> note: C_C c c (c)[eva T](c) is just a
> "hike-shift-gallows" character
> from the folding key read as C_Cc A <--
> (my folded "A" start).
>
> I call a "gallows" (your picknick
> table?)(eva t?) and of the larger
> folding shaped embellishesments in the vms.. see
> http://www.diac.com/~ekwall2/voynich
> eva t  (the START GALLOWS of 8)
>
> where [eva t] = "A" first in the FOLD
> key.. TOP CENTER of ALL KEY(s).
> 3x3 master board key / vms.folding101(above)
>
> |
> |                            'plume of
> c?'    C  <--facing backwards.
> |to make 3C's, the scribe added it on TOP of C_C
> |
>
> So, Just saying "C_C_C" shouldn't be
> there.. if FOLDING is correct??
> If you find it, I will NOT FOLLOW the
> group to cryptogram.org!! & just
> lower my head and ~sigh~ and call it a
> FUN vms adventure all the same.
>
> (else it's a mistake? (ha.haaa)) but,
> can't be many, spacing is odd
> here, but c's are not o's nor single
> stand.alone "letters", they are
> MOVING your POINT(er) Finger across the
> Key(s)board etc..
>
> Double C_C's point to a KEYBOARD, [one of 3x3?]
> AND  c cc or ccc NON.barred/(vs c_c
> lined), point to quadrant on
> that key.. at any given time..
>
> just a thought on c's,
>
> IF one has to go so FAR (3x3) as C_C_C
> (dead end?) or cccc (dead end)
> I would think you should just add a
> folding GALLOWS figure c_X_c and
> start on the MIRRORED side of the
> folded master keys.. same thing, but
> different character then.
>
> so,
> Folding = follow your spot(finger) then
> ccc away etc..
>
> It FLOWS nicely then!
>
>
> Best to you & yours
> -=se=-
> steve (for ALL to c :-)) ekwall
>
> ES is ~CrAzY~ science I KNOW, but there
> IT IS! (1st & only time)..
>
> I've been requested to ~Shut-!@#$% UP
> Steve!~ (ha.haa)  UNTIL I can
> provide a working example in ~English~
> (sigh) it's NOT English BTW ..
> so I will shhhhhhhh now and go away ...
> folding english.. but I think
> English as too many letters or I toss
> out a number "0" or 2? :-(
>
> anyway - GOOD LUCK ALL !!!
>
> --------------------
>
>  Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:30:39 -0600
>  From: GC <glenclaston@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  To: Voynich Ms. mailing list
> <voynich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  Subject: VMs:  RE: The Eva alphabet
>
>  Rene, I'm glad you can appreciate the
> difficulties
>  I face in expressing myself and my
> work.  I have
>  added a field to the database for EVA
> equivalents,
>  but I can do this better if you could make your
>  chart available once more.
>
>  I'm still having a problem that I need
> to resolve
>  involving expression of characters.
> The EVA "ee"
>  is sometimes "ee", but other times a
> character I
>  call "u" because it looks like a "u".
> This is two
>  'c's run together.  Since I have over
> 200 examples
>  of this character in the herbal
> section alone, as
>  well as decrypt examples that
> substantiate this as
>  a stand-alone character, you might see my
>  frustration.  (For a page containing numerous
>  examples of this character, see the
> top paragraph
>  of folio 68r).
>
>  I still have that problem with the two
> different
>  types of plumes over EVA 'sh', and a
> few others,
>  such as a rare one with 'ccc' as one character.
>  For many of these there don't appear
> to be Currier
>  equivalents or EVA equivalents, and
> that puts me
>  in a rather awkward position when trying to
>  explain these characters.
>
>  GC
>
>
>