folding the vms & THOSE 9 FINAL POINTERS?

[steve ekwall <ekwall2@xxxxxxxx>]

 Hi everyone, :-)
 
How to POINT OUT the differences?

GC wrote:
 >This means that those who lean toward
 >cipher are laboring under an inefficient and
 >misleading system of notation - for their specific
 >purpose - and for those who've joined the fun
 >within the last year or so, the knowledge of
 >Currier and other transcription systems more
 >descriptive than EVA is almost completely lost.

Nick wrote: 
 Anyone with sufficient skill to mount a deciphering assault via code should 
 find it easy to add a suitable text-replacement preprocessing stage to 
 remap EVA into their preferred final notation - and in the context of a 
 devious cipher alphabet that (I believe) was designed to hide the final 
 notation (and hence the underlying alphabet) from view, this is a good thing.
 
snip....

-=se=->
IF indeed the vms is Coded using a "folded key" and a SIMPLE
letter replacement with celerity strokes to scribe and re-read.. It
occured to me that the remaining "letters" MUST forefill that function
also!!  What "Letters" are left after removing all folding _Gallows_
and the c_gallows_c Gallows??

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The scripted "e" (eva l) - KEPT catchig my eye here as it is so LARGE
for the writer to insert mid-"word"??
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SO, (seeking by magnifying glass (ha.haa))
I see "Letters" [4,e,2,S,8,\,g,o,a] for the majority. (non - eva just
looking like "letters" not dissected etc..) 9 total - interesting??? 

In keeping with the FOLDING KEY .. these characters ALSO would have to
FIT into the ES/folding 'TTT' theory..  THEIR SHAPES ALONE WOULD HAVE
TO POINT to a Direction OR Quadrant within THAT key(s) etc..

IN the above ORDER they DO in fact fit nicely..  :-)

where: 
TTT = Tic-Tac-Toe Board or
the 3x3 "board" created when unFOLDing an ES/KEY template. 

AND
where:
      "4" (eva 167?) _loops_ UPPER LEFT
      "e" (eva l) _scripted english e shape_ points CENTER UP 
      "2" (eva r) point's UP and to the RIGHT side 
      "S" (eva s) Backwards _S_ Centered (1/2 of an 8?)
      "8" (eva d) CENTERING (nail IT?) or Dead CENTER shape pointer
      "\" (eva i) top to bottom (left to right) pointer completes S8 
      "g" (eva '?) an o with lower tail pointing LEFT 
      "o" (eva o) a standalone o or circle etc..
      "a" (eva a) an o with lower tail poniting RIGHT 

on a TTT FOLD KEY they "POINT" to their obvious? quadrants (TTT Boxes)
of coded occupies on the MASTER KEY (not needed until language is
known)
 
in TTT: the remaining (full shaping) vms characters point as:

4 e 2
S 8 \ 
g o a 

Note how the UPPER pointers point UP (in vms shaping left/right).
Note how the "S" and the "\" complete an "8" when over-lapped.
Note how the LOWER pointers go DOWN pointing (left & right).

SO, I'm suggesting that with so FEW "LETTERS" that these above
characters are NOT 'letters' AT ALL!, BUT POINTER Characters !!!!!

IF you include ALL the FOLDED Gallows and the c_Gallows_c (9)...
AND the final 9 pointer characters (above)

a master KEY emerges that looks like this... 
of course this is in ENGLISH and ES said it's not ENGLISH ;-(

ABC:JKL:STU 
DEF:MNO:VWX
GHI:PQR:YZ0
---:---:---
123:4e2:123
456:S8\:456
789:goa:789
---:---:---
STU:JKL:ABC
VWX:MNO:DEF 
GHI:PQR:GHI 

Saddly, with this key even I don't know how to determine "MIRROR" 

as, Is the last Quadrant in above master key as is? or 

GHI
DEF
ABC   ??? What's a BETTER mirror ??

So, "WE" will need BOTH the Linguist to study the output AND the
Computer Data Decoder to change the input for Mirror... But IT
~Lucikly I THINK~ is a SIMPLE transcription code from here by just
plugging in any language of choice. (fewer letters are OK/fine)

USE IT by 

1) ALWAYS starting your PAGE or sentence/Paragraph with a Gallows 
   character Pointing TO your START PAGE (quadrant of MASTER KEY) 
   EX. (eva f) IS the FIRST character in vms page f1 etc.. 
   That points to the NUMBERS area in above example key!!!! 
   Is this the start of a date??? (who knows?)

2) KEEP the TIP "C" of your finger on whatever KEY you are ON !!
   The next number "c's" will guide it - thus the REASON for so many!

3) READ the Character (if no character as above 1st "pointer" move
   your finger to the "positioning" of the NEXT "letter" 
   (using 4,e,2,S,8,/,g,o,a) as WHERE TO PUT your FINGER! 
   THERE is your LETTER or NUMBER.. DEcoded.

4) continue until GALLOWS character (eva T example) then WITH YOUR
   FINGER in that SAME Quadrant ~Hike-Shift~ to that quadrant on the
   MASTER - KEY Pointed to! you are IN a NEW Quadrant .. apply same 
   (4,e,2,S,8,/,g,o,a) simple "finger moves here" rule(s).

5) continue transcriptions

SIMPLE? 

ALL WORDS (Letters) and ALL NUMBERS are thusly 'pointed to'...


~Mirroring?~ Much "confusion" can be added by c_gallows_c 'ing your
key as now your finger will "follow" a mirror or reverse layout.. I
think this is best shown by looking at the final pages of the vms -
the 'recipe?' section in a different hand? this ~fellow?~ KNEW how the
coding worked and in general DOESN'T waste his time ~flipping~ (or
c_Gallow_c'ing) the KEY over and OVER as the letter / numbers are
still ALL on either side to POINT at!

IF you will look at EACH character as a "POINTER character" instead of
a "LETTER" of some ~unkown alphabet~, I hope you will see my meaning
of direction of it's flow! 

I don't believe it's UPPER nor Lower CASE "LETTERs" so much as, 
 
 UPPER (which TTT quadrant) gallows characters KEY pointer
 LOWER (which quadrant on that KEY) shaping characters pointed to.

as each are pointing to when encountered in the vms script. 

I Hope this helps someone out there :-) 

Some last few thoughts if I may.. 

I'm saddened to hear about ~losing this vms@rand~ LIST, it's the only
place I visit - vms is a very ~weird topic~ and as addictive as CHESS!

I've pretty much done ALL I can do on this end with decoding as ALL
the characters are pretty much ACCOUNTED FOR now as Pointers.. 
the "scribbles & Doodles" like 1st character(s) on f42r and f42V are
just that!, ~FUNnY DOODLES~ of the scribe! 

I don't know the Final ~mirror image~ layout - sorry :-( 

my simpleton mind just thinks ABC =  CBA etc.. :-\

I've also come to see why ES said I could "DECODE THIS - BUT NOT READ
IT!!" at 1st I was very VERY MAD!!  - NOW, i see how ~CORRECT~ s/he
was!

Trust me - I'm the biggest moron here and it still flows nicely if you
FOLD it, then 'POINT' to it! just follow your c_c finger. 

c=1 back
c_c = 2 KEY(s) back
3C = 3 KEY(s) back - this is the C_C with backwards C on top.

Seems the ~inventor~ of this simple code liked to LOOK 1st as to where
s/he was going (seeking the NEXT letter) then moving/writing there
2nd'ly, it 
finally explained the larger "e" (eva l) syndrome to me.

I think ALL camps here are still needed, including herbs and
pen-stroke experts, as many "pointers" are not easily seen on my
fuzzy copy-flo here..

Admittadly this doesn't account for ALL the characters in vms, just
MOST.. the eva m points _center?_ but I don't know where it's found
and could just be an end of sentence or paragraph if this flow were
kept up by the scribe(s)


Best to you & yours
-=se=-
steve (just Folding & Pointing another way) ekwall :-))

P.S.
The FOLDing/Pointing should stand the test of simple tranposition as 
8am or (eva dian) could be (example= mEt or gOd) 
and 
(eva diian) could be (example= fOOd or kEEp)

the "E and OO"'s are just mirrored on its (vms) Master KEY etc...

P.S.S. I believe once it's language is found the MASTER KEY will be
STATIC! :-) 

whew :-) THAT would sure be nice - eh ?? :-) 

PSSS - If I don't get a chance to say "goodbye" to everyone here
before the plug is pulled - then goodbye :-) it's been ~fun?~ and
THANKS for _all_ the input - the vms is quite the adventure! :-)