VMs: Re: Notes on f69r and other observations

["DANA SCOTT" <dscott520@xxxxxxx>]

I think, IMHO, that you will find that most (maybe all) of the "8"
characters in the VMS are written starting at the lower right hand corner of
the 'character'. Interestingly, I notice (never realized this before) that I
start all numbers with "circles" beginning in the top right corner
(0,6,8,9).

Regards,
Dana Scott


----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Roux" <lroux@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:26 AM
Subject: VMs: Notes on f69r and other observations


> Sorry, I don't see your stand-alone chars...Maybe if I cross my eyes a
little and stare longer <grin>
>
> You have 4 as "e" and then 4 as ? below.
>
> If you read them counter clockwise could it be...
>
> o 8 y m s l
> 1 2 3 ? 4 5
>
> Just trying things.
>
> Alternatively, if the numbers are out of order (1, 5, 7, ?, 4, 8) could
they signify constellations (1st, 5th..)?
>
> Also, there appears to be a character in the center.  Could that be 0?
>
> While reading 16th & 17th century French military documents I find they
often used "p" for one (premiere) as in Le P de Juin... could something like
that be happening here?
>
> Also, in French they use "e" as we do "th","rd" and "nd" (4th, 3rd, 2nd) -
in my (albeit somewhat arbitrary at this point) translation of Voynich "l" I
see it as English r.  Does anyone know a language that would say something
like the 17r of December?
>
> Lastly, I have noticed that many of the "8"s in the Voynich are not
necessarily 8s at all.  If you look at the brushstroke it appears that many
of them are intended to be closer to an "m" than "8" and others something
different(as in the symbol in 69r that ppears to be more of the way I write
the & while writing than 8 or m).
>
> I have also noticed that some of the characters are written from the right
side.  for instance, "l", you can notice the character is started from the
right side, loops and descends to the left.
>
> It seems strange that some characters would be written in one direction
and others in the other.  If the text is written left->right it would be
more difficult for the scribe to fit a right->left character correctly and
vice versa.
>
>
>
>
>
> ******************************
> Larry Roux
> Syracuse University
> lroux@xxxxxxx
> *******************************
> >>> rteague@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 01/26/03 11:23 AM >>>
> Larry Roux wrote:
>
> > I was looking at f69r and thinking that maybe the "numbers" in the
center
> are in order.  That would
> > make it
> > o 8 y g? s l
> > 1 2 3 4  5 6
>
> By an odd coincidence, I was studying f69r this morning.
> Yes, the letters around the center do seem to be numbers. I
> make them (clockwise from EVA < o >:
>
> o,  l,  s, ?, e, d
> 1, 5, 7, ?, 4, 8
>
> That 4th one I just can't make out. There are a couple of similar
> letters in the EVA alphabet, but nothing exact (that I saw).
>
> This folio may also have helped fill in two of the missing numbers.
> If you start from the odd line at the 2 o'clock position and go
> clockwise, you can pick out a stand-alone letter in each line
> that goes:
>
> o,  r, y, ?,  l,  k, s, d, ch
> 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
>
> I might just be seeing what I want to (easy to do with the Voynich : ) ),
> but I hope not. Let me know what you think.
>
> >
> > Can you check December of 1416 for the Pleiades/Aldabran/Moon combo you
> were looking at originally in 1615?
> >
> > Just a hunch.
>
> Sure. Just a second...
>
> No match. No planet is in the right position, nor does
> the Moon occult the Pleiades.
>
> Robert
>
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