Re: VMs: RE: Map scans now posted...

["Chris 'Xenon' Hanson" <xenon@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Larry Roux wrote:
> Correct.  The content of the VMS is not restricted - but the individual 
> pictures/slides, etc are governed by fair use.  The person (or group) 
> who owns the picture has the authority to govern/copyright that use.

  Agreed.

> In most cases educational institutions do not restrict use of such 
> materials as the Voynich MS scans for research purposes.  If you used a 
> scan or part of a scan as a logo for a new pair of new Nike shoes they 
> may balk.  If you took pages from the Voy and dubbed in pictures of 
> real, naked nymphs out on a porn site they would most certainly balk.  
> The key is Universities/Colleges are meant to broaden knowledge, not 
> line people's pockets (ok, maybe that is just a bit naive..).

  It all would depend on what restrictions they placed on you when they
allowed you to take the pictures, or when they provided the slides to you.
If they placed no restrictions, you presumably _could_ make them into a
Nike logo or a porn site. Not that I'm saying you should, or we would, but
if the property owner wants to restrict anything, they need to do so in
advance. If they do not, and you are permitted to make your own images
without restriction, the cat is out of the bag at that point. Because of this,
property/copyright owners must be very careful about what they allow done
with their properties.

> In any case it is always best to ask the source for permission and be 
> sure to note the source (ie "All scans of pages are used with the 
> expressed permission of Yale University...blah blah blah").

  If they say to. Many Universities and such institutions are very careful about
having their name (and reputation) associated with things they don't control, and
they might not WANT their name associated with our motley group.

> In this day and age "theft" of graphics from one web page to another is 
> quite prevelent.  The same idea should pertain to Web pages.  If you 
> cannot get permission to use a graphic from a page you should simply 
> link to the source rather than using the graphic.  There is even talk 
> about how moralistic it is to even create links to pages without 
> permission... but that gets further off topic.
> If you remember the axiom: "Do not pass off intellectual property as 
> your own" you should be safe.

  I don't think anyone is suggesting taking someone else's digital media
properties off the web and claiming ownership of them. The intent is to
acquire a new set of the films of the VMs and create our own high-quality
digital media files from them.

  The only issue would be if the library specifically claimed copyright on
their slides which we would have to have bought from them. If we are somehow
able to visit the VMs, and obtain our own photos of it, we'd be totally free
and clear.

  It's just a matter of what restrictions the library places on the usage of
the slides they sell.

> Larry Roux
> Syracuse University
> lroux@xxxxxxx <mailto:lroux@xxxxxxx>

Chris - Xenon
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