Re: The Hoax Theory (was: VMs: Codex Seraphinianus...?)

[Dennis <tsalagi@xxxxxxxx>]

Gordon Rugg wrote:
> 
> >From what I recall, the Voynichese statistics don't fit with a glossolalia
> explanation. In addition, the VMS syntax doesn't fit with the richest
> examples of glossolalia (Enochian and Helene Smith's Martian) in the
> literature - both the latter use the same syntax as their originators'
> respective first languages.

	Enochian and Martian are not what I'm calling
glossalalia.  Enochian 
and Martian were at least pidgin languages, perhaps at
the semantic level of 
early creoles.  Glossalalia, as I understand it, has no
meaning.  
Enochian and Martian clearly did, as they clearly had
well-defined vocabularies 
of words, whereas glossalalia as I understand it does
not.  

	I never have been able to find transcripts of
glossalalia; Jacques 
Guy and Dan Moonhawk Alford, list members who ought to
know, did not know
of any  
the last time I asked.  The best scientific description
of glossalalia I know 
on the Web, despite the derogatory tone, is:

http://www.skepticfiles.org/fw/glossola.htm

Relevant here is this section:

>   There are the necessary inflections and pauses and rhythmic cadences 
>   that appear to organize the verbiage into macrosegments (sentences), 
>   microsegments (words), phonemes. One theory explains the metered vocalization 
>   as symptomatic of a rhythmical discharge of subcortical strucutres 
>   operating during a trance state. If speech is biologically interrupted, 
>   it could appear to be a sentence pause. It would certainly be hard 
>   to catch "words" being cut off or notice illogical breaks in expression 
>   when neither can be identified.
> 
>   Since sentences and phrases are generally composed of smaller units 
>   called words, semantical research on microsegments might isolate a 
>   glossolalia glossary (minus the definitions). If, on the other hand, 
>   a study of glossolalia should support the hypothesis that there is 
>   no lexicon among its practitioners, a larger assumption could be made 
>   that sentences are inconceivable without words. The evidence is mixed. 

No evidence that is at all definite is given.
Thus glosalalia, as I meant it and a written form of
which Seth appears to 
have been practicing, probably has no vocabulary as
Enochian and Martian 
clearly did.

	The statistical properties of Voynichese and Seth's
glossalalia 
are another question, and that is what interests me.

Dennis
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