Re: VMs: RE: Another barrel display

[steve ekwall <ekwall2@xxxxxxxx>]

Hi Jeff & all :-)

YES YES YES (thank you :-) 

Being a "Professional" locksmith/safecracker myself, (on the legal
side of course)... I was trying to tell all here about the folding of
its design (without going into "circulars") to avoid added confusions. 

 You seem to be on the right path! - Go with the FLOW 

Best to you & yours there :-)
see: http://www.diac.com/~ekwall2/voynich/voynich2 for "proper gallows 
positionings" just updated.

-=se=-
steve (FOLD IT / Flip IT) ekwall



 

 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:58:12 -0500
 From: GC <glenclaston@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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 Subject: VMs: RE: Another barrel display
 
 Jeff,
 I hate to sound like HAL, but What are you doing, Jeff?
 
 You're going to tell me more about this later?  B#$$llsh#$Rt.  I've seen
 post after post that I can't follow, and I want let in on the secret.  It
 could be that I'm just dense or slow (my wife used to use less flattering
 words for this personal phenomenon), but I don't understand what you're
 trying to say.
 
 Your posts are still in EVA, but you're attempting to "decrypt" something.
 What are you using to determine the actual glyph?  I know you've indicated
 this doesn't matter, but each time I look at your lists, it apparently DOES
 matter.  I can't see you reaching these conclusions if it DIDN'T matter.
 
 You're not giving character equivalents, breaks, or anything that is useful
 to me.  In short, you're not giving me anything that I could readily load
 into a program and test.  Perhaps this is why you have relatively little
 feedback?
 
 As soon as I figure out why Adobe and Microsoft Excel conflict, I'll be
 presenting raw bifolio data so others may check my results and make a few
 observations of their own.  At the very least, provide us with a limited set
 of rules by which we may duplicate your work and make comment.
 
 Rene hasn't offered (as far as I can search) raw files for some of his
 studies, but these files need to be present for others to verify
 conclusions.  (Not that Rene's work needs any support, as he is correct in
 his findings.)  It's just that these files need to be there to support
 conclusions, so anyone may duplicate the effort based on the data that was
 current at the time.  If you extract digraphs, a file of these extractions,
 plus the name and availability of the source file is in order so the
 observer may duplicate the study.
 
 I can tell you right now that if you're not passing at least some judgment
 on glyph structure, you've signed on as a curator in the "Enchanted Forest".
 The question remains about what assumptions you're making in this regard.
 You're probably already aware that reptition is increased by viewing in EVA,
 and you've been warned by its creators that it was not meant as a
 cryptographic tool, so you've got something up your sleeve you're not
 saying.  Say it and let us in on it.  At least give me enough info to
 duplicate your effort and make comment.
 
 GC
 
 
 
 
 
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx]On
 > Behalf Of Jeff
 > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:29 PM
 > To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
 > Subject: VMs: Another barrel display
 >
 >
 > Fourth line of first paragraph of page one of the VMS omitted due to the *
 > character. This has been my consistent method from the start for better or
 > worse.
 >
 > Following is the Phil Neal inspired barrel interpretation. Note
 > the distinct
 > row markers a and r. Also the various mark positions of c, h, y and s.
 > Letters towards the bottom of the display show less pattern and more
 > scatter. Although it can be said that t, i and n seem to start to
 > take over
 > from h, y and s as the progression move on. Also the tilt of
 > letters at the
 > left hand edge of the display is apparent as they join in the mix. This
 > tilted scatter seems to persist. Significant or just a symptom of the
 > method? I had thought of signifying double letter occurances by capitals,
 > but where letters are repeated more often in a word this falls down. Any
 > suggestions?
 >
 > PS Note that f appears only at the beginning and ending of the
 > text. I will
 > try to produce more from the remainder of the page to see if the effect
 > persists. Also I will include the fourth line but minus the *.
 >
 > fachys.ykal.ar.ataiin.shol.shory.cth!res.y.kor.sholdy
 > sory.ckhar.o!r.y.kair.chtaiin.shar.are.cthar.cthar.dan
 > syaiir.sheky.or.ykaiin.shod.cthoary.cthes.daraiin.sa
 > dair.y.chear.cthaiin.cphar.cfhaiin
 >
 > To be viewed in fixed pitch font
 >
 > f                                  f
 > aaaa       a  aaaaaaaa  a a aaa aaaa
 > c     c    c   c  cc      cc    cccc
 > h    hh  h     hh hh  h   hh
 > yy   y y yy  y       yy y y    y
 > s   sss  ss     s    ss  s s s
 >  k      k  k  k       k k
 >  l  l    l
 >   r  rr r rrr r rrrr r r  r r r r r
 >    t  t        t  t       tt     t
 >    i          ii     i  i   i i  i i
 >    n           n    n   n   n    n n
 >     h      h             h      hhhh
 >     oo  ooo o          o oo
 >       !     !
 >       e          e    e    e    e
 >          d          d    d  d d
 >                                   p
 >
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