VMs: Re: opinion on alchemy

["lampis" <rilampis@xxxxxx>]

At 19:56 24/11/2003 +0100, Petr Kazil wrote:

>whole generations and many big minds have wasted their time on this
(alchemy):-)

I suppose that Petr Kazil considers himself to have a bigger mind than the
"big minds" he mentions.
Could it be instead that he fails to grasp something that big minds
perceived?
Was Isaac Newton a fool?
How does he explain Nicholas Flamel?
Please let's not become taleban over here.
Cheerfully,
R. Lampis



----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Pelling" <incoming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:49 PM
Subject: VMs: Cod. Pal. germ. 579...?


> Hi Petr,
>
> At 19:56 24/11/2003 +0100, Petr Kazil wrote:
> >What's very interesting is the mention of "the necessity of secrecy" in
> >alchemy and yet another old alchemical manuscript in code:
> >
> >- Von zentraler bedeutung ist die Geheimhaltung in einem der frühesten
> >deutschen alchemistischen Texte, nämlich der "Alchemy teuczch" aus den
> >zwanziger jahren des 15, Jh.s, die in Cod. Pal. germ. 579 drei
verschiedene
> >geheimschriftliche Alphabete verwendet. (With a reference to: G. Eis,
Achemy
> >teuczch, in: Ostbair. Grenzmarken, Passauer Jb. f. Geschichte, Kunst und
> >Volkskunde 1 (1957), S. 11 ff.)
> >
> >Do we know this old German manuschript?
>
> I don't *think* so - presumably it's at Universitätsbibliothek Heidelberg?
> Though I couldn't find it on-line, you're welcome to try searching
yourself...
>
http://www.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/helios/fachinfo/www/kunst/digi/handschriften
/welcome.html
>
> All the same, I'm fairly sure that Bernhard Bischoff would have made a big
> deal out of it if it was all in cipher?
>
> >Were it not for the VMS I would have never read a book like this. The
> >historic research is very interesting to read, but the subject of alchemy
is
> >the most horrid subject I know. What a load of ... ! How is it possible
that
> >whole generations and many big minds have wasted their time on this :-)
>
> IMO, alchemy's subjective appeal relies on three deep weaknesses of the
> human mind:-
> * suspicion (ie "What if it Really Means Something and We Don't Know?")
> * paranoia/conspiracy (ie "What if it was being Covered Up For A Reason?")
> * projection (ie, "I know it's a blank canvas, but here is What I Think It
> Means...")
>
> All three are fun individually, but form a dangerous cocktail when mixed.
> Both alchemy researchers and VMs researchers alike have to be careful of
> what they drink! :-o
>
> Cheers, .....Nick Pelling.....
>
>
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