VMs: RE: Re: further ramblings [was: VMS lookalikes]

["John Grove" <John@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

	Well, I for one am quite positive that all the pages are not in the right
order, and
am positive that the pagination only happened after the manuscript was bound
in its present
order. You can even tell which way the fold-out pages were folded inward
when bound by the
page numbers.

	I haven't seen any good evidence in the discussions to date to believe the
manuscript
was written any later than the 1500's, but agree that we don't have any real
evidence
that it was written any earlier either. The ghibelline merlons fall neatly
into Barb's time
frame as well. However, I don't like to toss circumstantial evidence
completely out the window
by assuming the author's talent at depicting things with precision means
that he didn't attempt
to and in some cases managed to have better success than others. Hairstyles
may be one area
where he had no difficulty drawing - the pharma jars are pretty detailed as
well. I think when
the artist in him wanted to, he put a little more effort into the drawing -
but on pages that
were filled with the same thing over and over (nymphs in zodiacs), he would
find it a little
tedious working - this might also be a fairly lame excuse for the lack of
barrels after the
first couple of months...

	John.


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Subject: VMs: Re: further ramblings [was: VMS lookalikes]



> Barbara Blithered;
 Snipping
> We learn things from examining the past. For example; pagination (page
> numbering) was invented by Venician printers in the early 1500s. A simple
> idea, but one never used before: ever! So the pagination, added in a
> seemingly different hand, could not have been done before the 1500s
> therefore the vms existed before that time as the original authors
> apparently did not paginate.

Careful there - some false reasoning.  Pagination may not have come in until
the 1500's but that does not mean that because it has no original pagiantion
it predated the invention.  There is nothing stopping me producing a
document without pagination today.

If it is from pre 1500 and we obviously don't know about the history how do
we even know the pages are in the correct order?  This may or may not help
in decipherment but it's something to consider

Gordon

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