VMs: Re: RE: The key

["Jeff" <jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

From: "John Grove" <4groves@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 13 February 2004 23:39


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> Behalf Of Jeff
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 5:37 PM
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> Subject: VMs: The key
>
>
> I have always said that EVA is the key to this. By getting your hands
dirty
> in EVA and seeing where the anomalys are you can find the way to go. Rene,
> Gabriele, Jaqcues and others have all gotten their hands dirty. They know
> much more than a lot on the list.
>
> Here is a pointer.
>
> tsheoarom
> pcheoldom
>
> Take these two words. Remove the t & p gallows and study them. They are
the
> key to the whole thing. Not by and of themselves, but what they tell you
> about the script. That is all I will say. If you work out why these words
> are the way they are then you will know what I know.
>
> >hmmmm, but does one really want to know what you 'know'?
>
> Speak with assertion and you might convince people you actually have
> a point to make. FYI, the page and/or para initial gallows have been long
> identified as being attached to what is often a perfectly 'normal' vms
word
> without it.  Recently somebody mentioned in passing another longstanding
> observation that if in fact you were to remove the first character from
all
> line initial words you'll have 'normal' vms words --- one exception is
that
> suddenly 'ain' and family become more evident.
>

GC actually gave it to everyone on this list point by point and where did it
get him?

> EVA is an excellent communication tool to discuss the VMS character set,
> no more - no less. It is not the 'key'. Oops, I'm speaking with
assertion -
> almost
> as if that was a proven fact... Okay, it might be a 'key', but one
amazingly
> convenient one if it is.
>

EVA breaks down all elements that can be standalone. That is why it is such
a good transcription tool. It can translate easily into anyones personal
system.
The fact that it does cover all standalone characters is the reason it is
the key.
Everyone on this list can point to an instance of something that does not
fit
with any attempt at developing new theories and this can all be broken down
into the fact that EVA represents all standalone characters and combines
them
when necessary. Is iir a single glyph? Is the much seen cho a single glyph.
The
statistics seem to indicate it as a good candidate. Yet it is NOT! That is
the point!

>
> Rene, Gabriel, Jacques and 'others' know more about the VMS then a lot
> on the list because they've been at it for an incredible amount of time
and
> yes - they have played around in the weeds - along with Stolfi and Takeshi
> and
> numerous 'others' and it has little to do with whether they used EVA when
> they
> were playing and more to do with the fact that they were delving into lots
> of
> what-ifs...
>

Familiarity can bring on a sort of snow blindness. The noise becomes the
thing of interest. Repeat the same word over and over for long enough and
you start to forget what it means. The two words I posted above are
inextricably linked. FACT! If you do not see that then give up hope now.

I hope that is assertive enough!

> It's great to be passionate about your angle of attack, I know if you
> looked back through the list you'll find some interesting 'now stupid
> assumptions'
> made by some of the list members who have been around a long time... We
all
> take
> guesses and stabs and throw in some what-ifs -- and once in a while one or
> two
> of us might stick our head out and say - wow look what I found (only to
find
> out
> that it's already been noted and soundly beaten to a pulp or worse - it is
> blatantly
> a mis-read).
>
> I know I've tossed out a number of wild thoughts over the years (some of
> which I
> still hang onto in my what-if closet), but the inclusion of EVA in the
list
> was a boon
> to communication - and really, I can't see it as anything more than that.
I
> know GC hated
> EVA with a passion because he figured that people might think the EVA
> characters were
> the VMS perfectly transliterated -- and a few people from time to time
have
> fallen into that
> trap, Jeff.
>

EVA won't decipher it, but without reasoning why some glyphs stand alone and
also merge while others don't, you won't even know what the alphabet is.
Also
you won't see the links running through the text.

> John.
>
>
>
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