Re: Re: Re: VMs: Further investigatio of folio f1r

["john stojko" <oko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hello Jan!

Jan, your language is Slavic, so is Ukrainian.
I would like to make the following suggestion.
Take my defined alphabet consisting of consonants.
Than read any page and add your own vowels.
You should be able to get 70% of words in your own language
and the understanding of VMS.
My Home page;
http://home.att.net/~oko/home.htm

The same is true for other Slavic languages.

John


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jan" <hurychj@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: VMs: Further investigatio of folio f1r


> Hello Jeff,  you wrote:
>
> Yes I saw this too. You need to run a lot of different tests though to see
the structure fully. It took me months to put together the necessary tools.
>
> ---  Come to think of it, our different tools are mostly telling us what
the VM cannot be, which is of course some help too, while on the other hand
there are not too many tools that can help us to get closer to the solution,
not mentioning the fact we are running out of possibilities. Well, it does
not look like, judging by the  traffic of this conference :-), but truly,
the best linguists and cryptographers so far failed mainly because we have
here three unknown variables: the script, the language and possibly the
coding. Is there any way out which would help us to establish at  least one
of those three?
>
> --- Now let's get into the mind of the author, who - one thing we are all
almost positive about - wanted to conceal the text, that is the content of
the text (that applies even for the hoax :-). He didn't care that it looked
strange or  maybe he wanted it to  look strange :-)?  Hardly, unless it was
a hoax. That's why I do not think Roger Bacon Bacon wrote it: he already had
enough problems with his superiors and strange script would certainly
attract the unwanted attention,  not talking  about those  naked women :-).
Bein g intelligent, he would probably choose something less conspicuous, say
like Francis Bacon binary cipher with steganography.
>
> --- But why would the author use  strange script (or we should call it
rather "scripting", since we do not know if it is one-to-one thing :-) AND
strrange language AND maybe even cipher? The most questionable is the use of
rather strange natural language, unless it was his own. As far as artificial
language, I do not see any point there: who else could be then able to read
it? It would be like the whole unknown code-book. So it is highly possible
that the language USED was the one known to author and probably even to us.
Again, the linguists cannot establish what language it was because none did
fit so far. Neither can cryptographers establish the cipher or code, not
getting solution  in any known language.
>
> ---So there must be still something else and now we are really getting
deep into the jungle. With all due respect to the VM  author, the complexity
could not be that high, provided that it was written to be read by somebody
who should be able to figure it out only with pen and paper. So what it was
it that eluded the solution for so long and made us so blind? I know this is
mainly philosophical question, but here are only two answers: a) it is
something we half-checked and discarded, or b) something completely new.
Comparing it with military messages, which supposedly need only 500 letters
so they can be able to be cracked down (I believe that applies for
monoalphabetic cipher, known language and no code),   the VM author gave us
generously plenty of ammunition for statistic evaluation, for observing
certain rules and work it out. Still, the high quantity here does not mean
that much - doesn't it tell us something?
>
> ... One interesting thing: while there are meny methods published for
solving the substitution ciphers, there are only few for transposition
ciphers and ac tually quite cumbersome ( see Lanaki lectures on Net On the
other hand). Stuill, those are the  most underestimated ciphers and in
complex form very difficult to solve (especially if we do not know the
language). Cobinations go to high factorials and that's why they are used
more and more in computer communications.
>
>
>
> Best regards.  Jan
>
>
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