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Re: Re: Re: VMs: Re: Voynich manuscript - Manchu solution claim by Z Banasik
Hi everyone,
Wr
http://assets.cambridge.org/0521243343/sample/0521243343WS.pdf
Gertraude Roth Li writes:-
Page 19:-
The most striking example of the Jurchens borrowing from the
culture of the stepper was in the realm of language. Jurchen
language is affiliated with the Tungusic branch of the Altaic
language family. The early Jurchens adapted the Khitan script
to write their own language. Literary Jurchen died out soon
after the fall of the Chin dynasty in the thirteenth century, but
spoken Jurchen remained current as the lingua franca of the
Manchurian region. For correspondence and record keeping,
Jurchen chiefs used Mongolian, though some records, both
commercial and governmental were kept in Chinese with the
aid of Chinese scribes. It was not until the end of the
sixteenth century [1599] that associates of Nurhaci [the Manchu
leader] adapted the Mongolian alphabet to write Jurchen and
thus created a new Jurchen literary language which became
known as Manchu.
Even prior to the adaptation of the Mongolian language, the
Jurchen language contained many words and concepts of
Mongolian origin. An estimated 20-30 percent of the Manchu
vocabulary is of Mongolian origin.
See also: Nicholas Poppe, "Introduction to Altaic linguistics (Wiesbaden,
1965), pp.160-1
Page 27:-
The term Manchu (manju) occurs in the records of Nurhaci's
time [in 1613, though Huang Chang-chien notes that it occurs
in a Korean document of 1605]. However, it was formally
adopted only in 1635.
Page 28:-
Many of the earliest documents written in this [Manchu] script
are preserved in the Old Manchu Archives (Chiu Man-chou tang),
a collection of Manchu documents from 1607 to 1636
[there's a modern edition, foreword by Ch'en Chieh-hsien,
10 vols, Taipei, 1969].
So: old written Jurchen had died out before 1444, and so if the VMs is
written in Manchu, its earliest date is 1599, and we should also see some
similarities with written Mongolian. However, Banasik's "proto-Manchu"
seems doubtful, as Manchu was formally constructed as a written Jurchen
using elements of Mongolian by two of Nurhaci's advisors (see p.28 above).
The VMs could be compared against the Old Manchu Archives for
similarities... but I still think this is unlikely. But feel free to prove
me wrong! :-o
Cheers, .....Nick Pelling.....
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