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Re: Page/quire order, was RE: VMs: F66r

One thought  -  for those of us who might find it tedious to realise the results of all this discussion.....

I find it really difficult (even with two large comptuer screens to help me) to sort out the mental ordering of 200 odd pages filed under some other order.

Why don't we just provide for ourselves the list of Beinecke image numbers ordered as we think best.  If we then print for ourselves the images in this order, and bind them (or set up our computer files ditto), then we can work with what we believe to be the coherent order.  We can number the pages as we like and append the significant last 4 digits of the Beinecke image just for safety.

If we change our minds - bin the printouts (or take the staples out.....  :-) and reorder...


Rene Zandbergen wrote:
--- Nick Pelling <incoming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

If you print out the (double-sided) balneo bifolios,
fold them as they are 
folded now, but then reorder them to match all the
various features 
together, you'll find that there is only one correct
order possible. I 
described this on-list ages ago, IIRC.

This "one correct order possible" statement is
interesting enough to test it out. Could you find it

Another interesting statement you made, which
deserves closer examination, is that there is more
colour imprinting onto adjacent pages in
one direction than the other. If true, it is another
useful piece of the puzzle.

I mentioned, I think 
quire 9 was back to front (with its outermost
bifolio wrapped around the 
others) when it had its quire signature added: I
don't think it likely that 
the original author would have got that so wrong.

Another potentially valid explanation for quire

Similarly, quire 20 was signed back to front, and
that doesn't even have 
any fold-out pages to confuse the quire signer.

You can't refold that bifolio to put the quire mark
in the "right" place. Also, on the same bifolio
is f116v (oladabas) which makes sense only 
(or rather: mostly) as the very last, empty, page.

Furthermore, the balneo quire (quire 13) is signed
on an out of order page, 

No, it's in the "right" place.

I conclude that the quires were almost certainly
signed after the bifolios 
had been misordered, 

If you turn that around, I'd be much happier:
 ... if the bifolios have been misordered, then that
     shows that the quire marks were added after
     that happened. 

In the initial herbal sections, quire marks occur
also on the B-language pages, without any
obvious difference, so either:
- the bifolios were mixed up and the quire marks
  were added afterwards
- everything is in order, but some herbal pages
  (the B-language ones) were written much later (or
   earlier) than the others.

Finally, what are these extra herbal pages doing
towards the end of the MS? For me, another 
good argument that the current page order in
the MS is not correct.

Cheers, Rene

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