RE: Re: VMs: Re: Transcription Ramble

["John Grove" <4groves@xxxxxxxxx>]

Not sure if you've covered all cases of the split gallows. You're right that
they are very few... Just ran a search on the archives for split gallows and
dug this one up:


Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 10:28 AM
To: Voynich Ms. mailing list
Subject: VMs: Bruce's Gallows Summary Request...

	Not an all inclusive summary of gallows -- feel free to add /modify this
list as you see fit...

cth, ckh, cph, cfh are not line initial
Words ending in 'n' are followed by one of the above 92% of the time
Words ending in 'r/s' are followed by one of these crossed gallows about 76%
of the time
Words ending in 'l' are followed by one of them about 82% of the time
Line initial 'y' + gallows might correlate to a cross-gallows (Nick's
suggestion, I believe)
Page/paragraph initial split gallows might correlate to a cross-gallows (My
suggestion)

Split gallows - about 11 of them...
	8 start a paragraph (as per above?)
	9 have ch anchors on both ends
	1 has no anchors
	1 has a ch anchor on the right leg only.

50% of all tokens have a gallows - 50% of which also have a 'ch', 'sh', or
'ee'.
50% of all tokens have a 'ch', 'sh', or 'ee' - 50% of which per above

First line of paragraphs commonly contain p/f style (although as Glen
pointed out there is at least one occasion when a p/f occurs on the last
line of text) {I believe Glen just found another 'title' that isn't as
separated from the text as it should be. (p/f's do occasionally appear in
the 'titles')}.

Most pages begin with a t/p gallows, which if separated from the following
word leave you with a more common token. About 25% of all t/ps are page
starters.

Well, that's all I can offer for today - Happy Father's day to those that it
applies to...

John.


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Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 7:01 PM
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Subject: Re: Re: VMs: Re: Transcription Ramble


Hello, Illum8


>Most would probably say that gallows Currier /P/, Frogguy [qp], EVA <t>
>is one character. But split gallows MUST alter that view.

  I somehow missed the discussion about  split gallows, so bear with me if
you already know this.  I
came recently  to the conclusion,  that it is just decorative thing - it
happens only  for
letter "t" (per EVA)  that is for the gallows with long second leg. It has
upper loop extentended to the
right thus creating something like a roof above the part of the"word" or
"words". We can see similar
ornamentation created by letters  "p" and "f" elsewhere, but the loop is
returning to the left, to cross its
own first leg of the same letter. Those loops are  sometimes of the same
length, sometimes shorter than
the word itself - apparently when the author didn't guess the length of the
word accurately (I believe it
was written in a   whole, before the rest of the word.

Now imagine you want to use the same decoration, but for gallows with two
long legs. You have to
draw the second leg down somewhere and clearly enough, it does not matter
where. So here again, you
drop the leg down at certain  distance and fill-in the remaing letters
below. If it just happens that the
word is longer, you write the rest of it behind that leg -  or even start
the second word,   if the loop was
too  long and fill teh rest behing that leg.

So there is really no secret, no mysterious split gallows. Beside this
analogy, there is also  a simple fact
that it happens only on folios f100r, f100v, f30v, f35r and f56r - and each
case is rather different, which
shows there was no system  in it but rather too short  - or long ( f35r and
f56r) guesses. Again, not
dropping the leg down immeriatelly but at the distance really does not cause
any misreading at all.


Regards,
Jan


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