RE: VMs: Colored paints, touch-ups, and the michiton text

["John Grove" <John@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

	It's amazing what your mind can see sometimes... How does Blu mte sound?
I think descender in your 'g' is actually part of your 'e' and I think
there's
a lower case t between the 'me'. Whether one can make out biu or diu or blu
or dlu
who knows? I don't think it's much to go on. Is there anywhere on the web
where
one could see some sample monestary signature's for examples?

	John.

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Bruce Grant wrote:

> >Any theories about why the manuscript would be labelled in Occitan? For
> >example, is it known to have spent any time in southern France, or to
have
> >belonged to an Occitan speaker at some point?

I don't know for sure, but there may be some information available on at
least part of the VMS travels.  In the upper right corner of f1r, to the
left of the foliated "1", there is some very faint writing, looks like it
starts with "Dig"  or "Big"  I've seen a few manuscripts that have a brief
monastery signature in this location, and the text below, looks like "Me" or
something like it, looks familiar as a monastery signature.  These usually
were just the name of the monastery to which the book belonged.

I've done my best on this text, but it's really faint and difficult.  It may
be unreadable, but it also may be an extremely important bit of information
that can help answer some questions.  Just a thought.

GC



----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Pelling" <incoming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: VMs: Colored paints, touch-ups, and the michiton text


> Hi Bruce,
>
> At 16:33 04/07/2004 -0400, Bruce Grant wrote:
> >Nick Pelling wrote:
> >>FWIW... IMO, this is just a c with a cedilla (but one that loops back on
> >>itself) - my best guess is therefore that the zodiac labels are
basically
> >>Occitan.
> >
> >Any theories about why the manuscript would be labelled in Occitan? For
> >example, is it known to have spent any time in southern France, or to
have
> >belonged to an Occitan speaker at some point?
>
> I'm just reporting what "març" tells me - that an Occitan speaker
somewhere
> probably not too far (culturally or physically) from Toulon owned the ms,
> and left his/her mark on the zodiac pages. Perhaps that might be
sufficient
> for an astute observer to match up some of the sid-file marginalia against
> that particular hand... you never know! :-)
>
> Cheers, .....Nick Pelling.....
>
>
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