Re: VMs: Colored paints, touch-ups, and the michiton text

["GC" <gc-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Follow up:

Beinecke's listings also have several descriptions that contain monastery
signatures.  Usually the description notes the signature or inscription as
being in the upper corner, f1r.  I hadn't any reason to keep track of all
that I've seen over the years until I noticed the text on f1r of the VMS in
the new images, and a certain familiarity arose.

It could be something else, but maybe we should keep an eye out for one that
resembles the faint writing here?

GC

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Grove" <John@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: RE: VMs: Colored paints, touch-ups, and the michiton text


>
> It's amazing what your mind can see sometimes... How does Blu mte sound?
> I think descender in your 'g' is actually part of your 'e' and I think
> there's
> a lower case t between the 'me'. Whether one can make out biu or diu or
blu
> or dlu
> who knows? I don't think it's much to go on. Is there anywhere on the web
> where
> one could see some sample monestary signature's for examples?
>
> John.
>
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> Behalf Of GC
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>
>
> Bruce Grant wrote:
>
> > >Any theories about why the manuscript would be labelled in Occitan? For
> > >example, is it known to have spent any time in southern France, or to
> have
> > >belonged to an Occitan speaker at some point?
>
> I don't know for sure, but there may be some information available on at
> least part of the VMS travels.  In the upper right corner of f1r, to the
> left of the foliated "1", there is some very faint writing, looks like it
> starts with "Dig"  or "Big"  I've seen a few manuscripts that have a brief
> monastery signature in this location, and the text below, looks like "Me"
or
> something like it, looks familiar as a monastery signature.  These usually
> were just the name of the monastery to which the book belonged.
>
> I've done my best on this text, but it's really faint and difficult.  It
may
> be unreadable, but it also may be an extremely important bit of
information
> that can help answer some questions.  Just a thought.
>
> GC
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nick Pelling" <incoming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: VMs: Colored paints, touch-ups, and the michiton text
>
>
> > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > At 16:33 04/07/2004 -0400, Bruce Grant wrote:
> > >Nick Pelling wrote:
> > >>FWIW... IMO, this is just a c with a cedilla (but one that loops back
on
> > >>itself) - my best guess is therefore that the zodiac labels are
> basically
> > >>Occitan.
> > >
> > >Any theories about why the manuscript would be labelled in Occitan? For
> > >example, is it known to have spent any time in southern France, or to
> have
> > >belonged to an Occitan speaker at some point?
> >
> > I'm just reporting what "març" tells me - that an Occitan speaker
> somewhere
> > probably not too far (culturally or physically) from Toulon owned the
ms,
> > and left his/her mark on the zodiac pages. Perhaps that might be
> sufficient
> > for an astute observer to match up some of the sid-file marginalia
against
> > that particular hand... you never know! :-)
> >
> > Cheers, .....Nick Pelling.....
> >
> >
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