Re: VMs: Re: Who got ...?

[Mart Vabar <mesinik@xxxxxx>]

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Rene Zandbergen wrote:
> Well, to make a complete story out of it, you will
> need to explain all of the evidence. It will turn

OK, I prefere not to explain all this, it is quite
massive by amount ... but in my opinion, most of
it is not about VMS, but about SOME unreadable or
strange stuff. I cannot more, I am suspicious
about this kind of evidence. The letter of Marci is
probably the best of it, but this is only because
of context and we can not take for sure, if it was
putten there intentionally or not. 
 

> out that you need to show that some of the letters
> are fake and some others are real but refer to
> another mysterious manuscript. Once you have seen
> the existing pages of the Kircher correspondence,
> it will be more difficult to maintain your theory.
> 
> Here are some of the facts:
> - G.Baresch lived and was a good friend of Marci.
>   Baresch left Marci his alchemical collections and
>   library. This is from a book printed in 1662
>   with copies 'all over the world'.'
> - Kircher had his correspondence bound in books.
>   This is known from De Sepi's printed catalogue
>   from 1678. 
> - Kircher's correspondence had disappeared from 
>   sight between at least 1873 and the start
>   of the 20th Century.
> - Kircher's corresponcence exists in Rome. It has
>   a paper note attached to it: from the private
>   library of P.beckx. It had originally 12 volumes
>   (from the handwritten table of contents) which
>   have been rebound into 14 volumes (2 had grown
>   too large, the index covers 2 vols. each).
> - The letters referring to the Voynich MS are in
>   two different volumes, and are consistently
>   entered in the index between other letters.
> 
> The index pages referring to the Baresch and Kinner
> letters are Vol.557, f4v and Vol.562, f2r
> respectively.
> Now either, the Kircher correspondence has been
> messed around with completely (in order to insert
> fake letters, also in the index), or the letters
> are real and refer to another book.
>  
> You have to take it from there, but to me
> neither options make sense.
> 
> Some considerations:
> - The Marci letter in the Voynich MS, in your
>   scenario, has to be a fake. A faker could only
>   write it if he had a lot of access to the Kircher
>   correspondence, which at that time was
>   in the hidden collection of the Collegio Romano.
>  
> - I can assure you, the Kircher correspondence,
>   if someone like your suspects had access to it,
>   would have been sold for a _lot_ of money.
> 
> - To do all this work on the Kircher correspondence
>   just to create traces to the Voynich MS (traces
>   which were not available to anyone until about
>   the 1960's) is an unreasonable overkill. They
>   were completely unnecessary.
> 
> So, it is OK to be suspicious, but you will have
> a lot of explaining to do :-)
> 
> Mind you, we never found out _how_ Voynich managed
> to get into the Mondragone, but if you keep digging
> enough, who knows, you may find something.
>  
> Cheers, Rene
> 
> 
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