Re: VMs: excessive frequency of doubles...

["Jan" <hurychj@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello Jacques,  
 
======= At 2004-08-19, 06:30:00 you wrote: =======

>It is, of some natural languages. I have already given many examples
>here, drawing now from Indonesian, now from Japanese, and I forgot 
>what else. I'll just give one example from French this time: cahin-caha.
>And, why not, one from English: bow-wow. 

True, for instance Slavic languages have declinations  with 7 forms for each noun, 
each similar to the other and yet different (most of them, anyway), but I was 
looking more into the structure of the change than into  pure similarity.  

Try to  match this samples from the VM:

f585v okal,qokal,otal,ytal,okol,opal,otol,qotal,ypal
f86v5 qokar,ykar,ytar,otar,okar,opor,qopor,qotar,ypar,ytor
f89v2   okol,okal,otal,otol,qokal
f89v1  okol,qokol,okal,opol,otal,qopol,ykol
f99r     qotol,qokal,qokol,ykol
f99v   qokol,okal,okol,otal,otol
f101r1 okol,okal,otol
f102r1 okal,qokol,ytol
f103r qokaly,okaly
f103v otar,qotar,opar
f104r  qokal,okal,qotal,otal,okol,otol,qokol, okar,qokar,otar,qotar,okor,ykar - ALL 
THOSE ON ONE FOLIO  ONLY!

In  those 4 or 5 letter "words", apparently any position can contain several letters, 
but apparently only from some "allowed" set. Now is this typical for some natural  language? 
 If it is, our task is now very simple: to find the language  which has all that (and much  
more) and we solved the VM :-). 

>Jorge Stolfi has observed similar properties of word-length distribution
>in Chinese, Vietnamese, and Tibetan. Do a google search "chinese theory
>stolfi" and you'll find it (it was in 2002).

Well, word length distribution is entirely different matter again. Yes, I am familiar with
Chinese and other theories (you forgot Manchurian, which  is of 
course more about script :-), but do they match the above sample? My example  is 
also from Stolfi, 
http://www.dcc.unicamp.br/~stolfi/voynich/Notes/015/pages-html/index.html
and of course I didn't have time to go through all folios, just few, but it was 
enough. 

Well,  I am not trying to eliminate the possibility of the VM being written in plain, 
natural language (i.e. without encoding and preferably in the language we know).
It may even be found, why not? But add to it the other language peculiarities of the 
VM and you see how difficult it would be to find the language to match all these 
requirements. The chance to find such language  - after all the time it was devoted 
to it ( it is probably the best researched aspect of the VM) - is rather slim and in the 
meantime, we should look into other possibilities as well, since their chances are now raising. 

 Regards
Jan
 


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