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Re: VMs: Older picture galleries

Hi, Nick!

A comment from Cornelius Agrippa's Second Book of
Occult Philosophy on numbers:

"The Doctrines of Mathematicks are so necessary to,
and have such an affinity with Magick, that they that
do profess it without them, are quite out of the way,
and labour in vain, and shall in no wise obtain their
desired effect. For whatsoever things are, and are
done in these inferior naturall vertues, are all done,
and governed by number, weight, measure, harmony,
motion, and light." 

I'm looking for those pages you described, but sadly
my computer is balking at larger materials like images
just now.

I do think the significance of numbers or number
sequences repeated in the VMs bears close watching.   
To esoterists of the VMs time frames, numbers spoke in
a language of their own and may provide important
clues to the meaning of the document.



--- Nick Pelling <nickpelling@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
> At 22:12 01/09/2004 +0100, Jeff wrote:
> >OK so I missed out the word else! Anyway you proved
> my point. You don't
> >believe it so intrinsically I was right.
> FWIW, it was the lack of supporting evidence that
> led to that, not the 
> provenance - I was genuinely interested enough to go
> and read about its 
> history, wasn't I? :-o
> >Nine rosettes is quite important here as I believe
> it to be a representation
> >of the nine spheres the highest of which is God's
> and holds the divinity
> >within man. All learning leads to divinity.
> Nine spheres: "primum mobile, fixed stars, Saturn,
> Jupiter Mars, Sun, 
> Venus, Mercury, and the Moon".
> http://www.chartplanet.com/html/shakespeare.html
> Nine spheres of heaven in Dante's Inferno:-
> But are the nine rosettes the nine spheres? I've
> spent a lot of time trying 
> to understand this page, and I have to say (stars
> notwithstanding) that I 
> don't presently think it's either astronomical or
> astrological. I should 
> perhaps add that I'm *far* more convinced that the
> series of circular 
> diagrams immediately preceding the VMs' zodiac
> diagrams represents the 
> seven classical planets:-
>          Page    Planet          # of segments
>          f67r1   moon            12      (note:
> quire 9 misbound, so out of 
> sequence)
>          f68v2   mercury?        8
>          f68v1   sun             16
>          f69r    venus?          6 (centre), 12
> lines, 45 pipe-holes, 16 
> divisions
>          f69v    mars?           8 (centre), 14/28
> pipes
>          f70r1   jupiter?                6 (centre),
> 29/58 stones, 9 mushrooms
>          f70r2   saturn?         8/16 divisions
> Perhaps someone more familiar with the numerology of
> astronomical periods 
> might care to try to correct these tentative
> allocations?
> BTW, note that f69r has a starting point marked into
> the "pipe" at about 
> "two o'clock".
> >The central rosette being at the center of all
> thing holds the heavenly
> >castle. The castle of the stars.
> Well, perhaps we do agree on something after all!
> :-)
> Cheers, .....Nick Pelling..... 
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