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Re: VMs: Stars and angels

Hi, Nick

The translation of Lucifer from the Hebrew means
"shining one".  This Lucifer was the Morning Star (son
of the morning), known to us as Venus.  This is the
only passage that really explains anything about the
fall of the angels (or is generally thought to).  If
Lucifer, the Morning Star, was represented by Venus,
his "fall" was in no sense a literal one.  Venus is
still up there, far as I know.  Smile.  

Isaiah 14:12-15, KJV "How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down
to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For
thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into
heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in
the sides of the north: I will ascend above the
heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides
of the pit." 



--- Nick Pelling <nickpelling@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Jorge,
> At 11:52 11/09/2004 -0300, Jorge Stolfi wrote:
> >    > [Pam:] [Agrippa] states that the spirit of
> each angel (that is
> >    > _each_ angel, seemingly regardless of fallen
> or unfallen state)
> >    > is bound to a star (either a fixed star or a
> wandering star; that
> >    > is, a planet).
> >
> >Perhaps the star-angel "bound" was really an
> equation, much like the
> >major Greek gods (and more other ancient ones) were
> idntified with the
> >planets? I.e. the concept of "angels" may have
> arisen as a
> >personification of stars, especially comets.
> Consider the imagery of
> >angels as wielding fiery swords, appearing on the
> sky at fixed places
> >every day for a number of days. Or falling stars,
> meteorites, and the
> >concept of the fallen angel...
> I'm not disputing the link between stars and angels:
> but surely (almost by 
> definition) a "fallen angel" is an angel/star that
> has fallen from the 
> fixed stars - the fall from the firmament mirroring
> the fall from grace?
> Cheers, .....Nick Pelling..... 
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"I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing, than to teach ten thousand stars how not to dance."

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