Re: VMs: Stars and angels

[Pamela Richards <spirlhelix@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi, Jorge!

Thank you for that quotation.  I see our friend Uriel,
the Watcher of the West, (connected with the fixed
star Antares) had something to add.

Here is a site that might interest you, if you have
not come across it already:

http://www.winshop.com.au/annew/

There is some good material there, although for our
purposes, we need to toss out the more recent
writings, as they do not apply to medieval or
renaissance time frames.

Warmly,

Pam

--- Jorge Stolfi <stolfi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 
>    > [Pam:] [Agrippa] states that the spirit of each
> angel (that is
>    > _each_ angel, seemingly regardless of fallen or
> unfallen state)
>    > is bound to a star (either a fixed star or a
> wandering star; that
>    > is, a planet).
> 
> The association of angles with stars seems to be
> quite old. The Book
> of Enoch (which is said to have been written a few
> centuries BC, but
> may be based on older traditions) seems to consider
> "stars" and
> "angels" as beings of the same general sort:
> 
>   I saw there seven stars like great burning
> mountains, and
>   to me, when I inquired regarding them,
> 
>   The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven
> and earth: this
>   has become a prison for the stars and the host of
> heaven.
> 
>   And the stars which roll over the fire are they
> which have
>   transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the
> beginning of
>   their rising, because they did not come forth at
> their appointed
>   times.
>   
>   [...] 
> 
>   These are of the number of the stars of heaven,
> which have
>   transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and are
> bound here
>   till ten thousand years, the time entailed by
> their sins,
>   are consummated.'
> 
>   And from thence I went to another place, which was
> still more
>   horrible than the former, and I saw a horrible
> thing: a great
>   fire there which burnt and blazed, and the place
> was cleft as
>   far as the abyss, being full of great descending
> columns of
>   fire: neither its extent or magnitude could I see,
> nor could I
>   conjecture.
> 
>   [...]
> 
>   And [Uriel] said unto me: 'This place is the
> prison of the
>   angels, and here they will be imprisoned for
> ever.'
> 
> Perhaps the star-angel "bound" was really an
> equation, much like the
> major Greek gods (and more other ancient ones) were
> idntified with the
> planets? I.e. the concept of "angels" may have
> arisen as a
> personification of stars, especially comets.
> Consider the imagery of
> angels as wielding fiery swords, appearing on the
> sky at fixed places
> every day for a number of days. Or falling stars,
> meteorites, and the
> concept of the fallen angel...
> 
> --stolfi
>
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