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Re: VMs: Stars and angels

Hi, Jorge!

Thank you for that quotation.  I see our friend Uriel,
the Watcher of the West, (connected with the fixed
star Antares) had something to add.

Here is a site that might interest you, if you have
not come across it already:


There is some good material there, although for our
purposes, we need to toss out the more recent
writings, as they do not apply to medieval or
renaissance time frames.



--- Jorge Stolfi <stolfi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>    > [Pam:] [Agrippa] states that the spirit of each
> angel (that is
>    > _each_ angel, seemingly regardless of fallen or
> unfallen state)
>    > is bound to a star (either a fixed star or a
> wandering star; that
>    > is, a planet).
> The association of angles with stars seems to be
> quite old. The Book
> of Enoch (which is said to have been written a few
> centuries BC, but
> may be based on older traditions) seems to consider
> "stars" and
> "angels" as beings of the same general sort:
>   I saw there seven stars like great burning
> mountains, and
>   to me, when I inquired regarding them,
>   The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven
> and earth: this
>   has become a prison for the stars and the host of
> heaven.
>   And the stars which roll over the fire are they
> which have
>   transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the
> beginning of
>   their rising, because they did not come forth at
> their appointed
>   times.
>   [...] 
>   These are of the number of the stars of heaven,
> which have
>   transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and are
> bound here
>   till ten thousand years, the time entailed by
> their sins,
>   are consummated.'
>   And from thence I went to another place, which was
> still more
>   horrible than the former, and I saw a horrible
> thing: a great
>   fire there which burnt and blazed, and the place
> was cleft as
>   far as the abyss, being full of great descending
> columns of
>   fire: neither its extent or magnitude could I see,
> nor could I
>   conjecture.
>   [...]
>   And [Uriel] said unto me: 'This place is the
> prison of the
>   angels, and here they will be imprisoned for
> ever.'
> Perhaps the star-angel "bound" was really an
> equation, much like the
> major Greek gods (and more other ancient ones) were
> idntified with the
> planets? I.e. the concept of "angels" may have
> arisen as a
> personification of stars, especially comets.
> Consider the imagery of
> angels as wielding fiery swords, appearing on the
> sky at fixed places
> every day for a number of days. Or falling stars,
> meteorites, and the
> concept of the fallen angel...
> --stolfi
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