Re: VMs: Stars and angels

[Pamela Richards <spirlhelix@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi, Pierre

Yes, I went to double-check myself on that and found
this etymology for "Lucifer":

Lucifer - O.E. Lucifer "Satan," also "morning star,"
from L. Lucifer "morning star," lit. "light-bringing,"
from lux (gen. lucis) + ferre "carry." Belief that it
was the proper name of Satan began with its used in
Bible to translate Gk. Phosphoros, which translates
Heb. Helel ben Shahar in Isaiah xiv.12 -- "How art
thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the
morning!" [K.J.V.] The verse was interpreted by
Christians as a reference to "Satan," because of the
mention of a fall from Heaven, even though it is
literally a reference to the King of Babylon (cf.
Isaiah xiv.4). 

I should have realized it's not a proper Hebrew word!
Yet nevertheless this is the passage most
English-speaking people have used to explain the
"fallen angel" story of Lucifer, whether it is
literally correct or not.

Thanks for your remarks!

Warmly,

Pam


--- Pierre Abbat <phma@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Saturday 11 September 2004 13:53, Pamela Richards
> wrote:
> > Hi, Nick
> >
> > The translation of Lucifer from the Hebrew means
> > "shining one".  This Lucifer was the Morning Star
> (son
> > of the morning), known to us as Venus.  This is
> the
> > only passage that really explains anything about
> the
> > fall of the angels (or is generally thought to). 
> If
> > Lucifer, the Morning Star, was represented by
> Venus,
> > his "fall" was in no sense a literal one.  Venus
> is
> > still up there, far as I know.  Smile.
> >
> > Isaiah 14:12-15, KJV "How art thou fallen from
> heaven,
> > O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut
> down
> > to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For
> > thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into
> > heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of
> God:
> > I will sit also upon the mount of the
> congregation, in
> > the sides of the north: I will ascend above the
> > heights of the clouds; I will be like the most
> High.
> > Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the
> sides
> > of the pit."
> 
> According to the footnote in the JPS version, Heylel
> ben-Shachar is a 
> character from a lost myth.
> 
> phma
> -- 
> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa
>
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