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Re: VMs: Re: [VMS] Goat vs. sheep, Sagittarius
Hi Rene and all,
I am more interested in the scorpion, out of personal reasons; I know it s possibly a sin, thus please forgive this irrelevant comment on list...
I can tell you that while searching to argue about the importance of Rene's finding that the artist of VMS perhaps did not know what a scorpion really is ( please see hereafter ) I tried and executed honestly some advises received to first have a look at Wikipedia before having some strange statement written. I admit I did not succeed. But however I found this:
Not that essential perhaps, but you can see on this page that scorpions are not unknown in Europe.
I would like to add that they are not uncommon in the northern part of the Mediterranean sea
( southern France, e.g. ) and perhaps less significantly in the southern part ( e.g. northern Algeria ).
My provisional conclusion is that our artist could perhaps have suffered a scorpion's bit but this of course is theoretical, since if true he would have been in a position to pratically have a better drawing; one objection then is for instance that if this possibility was realized, he could have died out of the bit; but in France especially those bits are not necessarily "fatal".
Is anybody in a position to state about Spain and Italy?
Hope anyway this two cents coin is acceptable.
Best regards,
Jean
Rene Zandbergen <r_zandbergen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
--- Jorge Stolfi wrote:
> > Can we put our heads together and postulate a
> culture
> > where they never see scorpions (that's North),
> do know
> > what lions look like (that's South), and can't
> tell
> > the difference between goats and sheep (that's
> New
> > York City!)?
I'm not very good at biblical quotes, but isn't there
one about separating the goats from the sheep
or v.v.? It wouldn't be there if it was so easy....
> The Lion doesn't count -- there were none in Europe,
> yet every
> European child would know what they looked like.
> Besides, the VMS
> picture is not a very convincing /Felix leo/, is it?
It's kind of OK for a lioness. Its tail and front
claws are
drawn in rather a typical "zodiac emblem way".Or
perhaps they were just usually drawn that way.
Perhaps when drawing Aries, the artist accidentally
copied a Capricornus?
> The VMS scorpion is really amazing; it would seem
> that all the artist
> knew was that is was a scary animal with a long
> tail.
Which correctly points up and forward. He had no
(good) example to work from.
Cheers, Rene
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