VMs: Re: Re: Topic for discussion

["jeffs freeuk email" <haleyj@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Michael

Thanks for the comments

Now take a look at this.

ctheam.or.dyor.qoiin.opcfh.cthoiis.g
sham.sochol.rsheo.chkoiis.or.choiis.arckhor.psham.ckhor
dypshak.g.poiis.qoar.qoshaiir.shair.chair.cfhoiis.d
yckhak.g.dan.cthchol.dy.qockor.ochol.fain
sham.sochair.oschaiin.m.qochk.yckhak.chol.an.chal.or
pain.ckhpol.ckhl.shal.chair.shak.g.oechoiis.orak.g
eam.sochol.okan.ar.chor.qoshor.cfh.ckhos.choy.g
yckhain.g.sham.osain.ol.okan.ar.choiiin.dan.oechak.or
oeoiis.shoiin.ochair.shor.chctchan.olchpoiis.or
ckhchol.ckh.l.olshar.shor.chckheo.ckhor.socfham.ckhor
ckhshoiin.chor.chol.ar.an.cfhak.g.qocfhh.shair.qoshor
osckar.ckhosaiim.shotain.qoshor.cfh.ckhos.dan.oee.chkoiis.or
chofod.chos.chol.dy

Not exactly precision Voynichese, but the point about this block
is that it is enciphered Latin. I am currently working to bring the
underlying tables into line so that I can cipher using as near to
Voynichese as I can. It just goes to show that Gordon Rugg does
not have all the answers.

Yes I know m's don't appear toward the ends of lines. Also that there
are no key sequences or double gallows words etc etc. So take this
at face value for now.

Jeff

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Winkelmann" <DasWinkelmann@xxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 24 February 2005 00:37
Subject: VMs: Re: Topic for discussion


> Hi Jeff,
> 
> in short:
> 
> (All my counts are taken from the Takeshi Takahashi transcription. The
> source of my transcription file is Jorge Stolfis interlinear
> transcription archive, which is a great and helpful source.)
> 
> First line:
> 
> > daiinol.qotoy.cthyd.shody.otchody.cheal
> 
> "daiinol" is very unlikely to occur - a "iin" glyph will be nearly
> always at a "words" end. But there are some exceptions. So there are
> occurences of "daiinol", but only two.
> 
> "qotoy" looks possible and "familiar", but is an extremely rare "word" -
> only two occurences too.
> 
> "cthyd" is a seldom seen "word" too - and a "yd" ending occurs less
> frequently than a "dy" ending.
> 
> "otchody" is "well-formed" but relatively rare.
> 
> So there are no "invalid" words in your first line, but a strange
> concentration of rare words. If your three lines should form a
> paragraph, I would miss the gallow in the first word of the first line,
> which is nearly always there. (But there are exceptions of this simple
> rule in the manuscript.)
> 
> Second line:
> 
> > odyd.qokchar.odaiin.dain.daram.dchykol
> 
> "odyd" is strange because of the "yd" ending, but occurs at f14v.
> 
> "qokchar" looks "familar", but is extremly rare and occurs only once
> (f115r).
> 
> "dchykol" looks a little bit strange because of the "y" exactly in the
> middle of a long word, which is unexpected for somebody who looks often
> in the manuscript. It is not iregular, but if I would see something like
> it in a transcription, I would suspect a missing space after the "y" -
> and "dchy" and "kol" are rather normal "words". Indeed, "dchykol" does
> not occur at all in the manuscript.
> 
> Line structure: "daram" is a good candidate for the last word in a line.
> Words with the "ram"-ending are frequent last words and seldom seen in
> other positions.
> 
> Third line:
> 
> > ykch.ody.cthyd.qokor.qokychydy
> 
> "ykch" is a rare word and occurs only once.
> 
> "cthyd" is rare too.
> 
> "qokychydy" looks strange and does not occur at all. In a transcription
> I would suspect some missing spaces and think that it should be
> "qoky.chy.dy", which are all rather frequent words.
> 
> General: A strange property of your sample is the too frequent "yd"
> ending.
> 
> I hope it may help you.
> 
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
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